What is God's will regarding the use of birth control?
HANK :)
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What is God's will regarding the use of birth control?
HANK :)
This is a somewhat controversial question. And in spite of the claims some make the Bible does not give a difinitive answer. Because in those times birth control did not exist. My suggestion would be to pray seriously and seek God's guidance. When he gives you peace about it you will have the best answer you can get. Regardless of what it might be. It may not even be the same as mine(intentionally not given.) But since I can't give you a biblical proof for my position, I can only say to seek God's will for what he wants you to do.Quote:
Originally Posted by HANK
Best wishes,
Walt
I guess that depends which God you worship.
Hi,
Prayer is the most powerful force in the Universe.
Pray for direction, to "God as you understand him/her", and you will find your answer to birth control as God's will.
Some spiritual followers believe in it, others don't.
It all depends on your own Spiritual beliefs.
Best wishes,
fredg
Birth control is entirely up to the mother, no ifs ands or buts.
It is not sinful, it is not wrong, and some imaginary god has nothing to do with it. Don't forget: morals, guilt, right and wrong, sin and good... these
are all judgements made by men because they think it's the right thing at the time.
One way to look at the problem is in terms of situational vs. absolute ethics. The human being is an evolving creature. So what might seem right at, say, 15 yrs. Might seem wrong to the very same person at, say, 55 yrs. Now, how God views these things when someone is at age 15 or 55 yrs. I don't think we can say. But even if it is wrong at any age, we must remember that God is a loving and merciful God.
I think it is against the laws of nature to do birth control.
Well, I'd say that men and women are also spiritual beings with a great deal of freedom to choose, so it might be more appropriate to view this in terms of an ethical, rather than as a natural vs. unnatural issue.
With regard to the laws of nature, are these scientific laws? Do some scientific laws change over time? Are some scientific laws at least partially dependent on the way we look at the world?
Hi,
"Against the laws of Nature to use birth control"?
Is it against the laws of Nature to starve to death?
Some countries have many, many people with no food...
Birth control could possibly help them to keep from multiplying like rabbits!
Best wishes,
fredg
I believe in birth control, also abortion, one second before conception
I think birth control depends on the parents. If you are not ready then do not bring forth children into this world because they will just suffer.
I don't believe that the mere use of contraception, with the possible exception of IUDs, in and of itself is contrary to God's law. Abortion, however, is not contraception ; it is a surgical procedure performed after the fact. Keep in mind that very rarely is any form of birth control totally guaranteed and fail-proof. Ever hear of a "miracle baby" ; you know, when mom says "I used a diaphragm and he used a condom but I still got pregnant?" I've even heard stories of women who've had tubal ligations getting pregnant and having babies, when the fallopian tubes that had been cut and tied fused themselves back together again. Although such occurrences are rare they do happen. Remember, God has a sense of humor and you don't necessarily want to be the butt of one of his jokes.
Doesn't the father have any rights at all? After all, if he's the one who has to pay financial support and is expected to take an equal 50-50 role in raising the child then he should have a say in things as well.Quote:
Originally Posted by keenu
By 'birth control' do you mean 'contraception prevention.'? One biblical reference to this is the case of Onan.
Genesis 38:9
9 And Onan knew that the seed should not be his; and it came to pass, when he went in unto his brother's wife, that he spilled[it on the ground, lest that he should give seed to his brother.
Genesis 38:10
10 And the thing which he did displeased the LORD: wherefore he slew him also.
Coitus interruptus had a heavy price tag.
MORGANITE
This was a different thing all together. He was not killed for spilling it on the ground. It was totally, and wholly because of disobedience.
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Originally Posted by bucker
Read the text: "Tthe thing which he did displeased the LORD".
It was not the thing he did not do. He practised birth prevention when he should have impregnated his sister-in-law.
Forgive the emphasis, but it matters that you let the text speak for itself.
MORGANITE
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This is taken from the following URL: http://www.gotquestions.org/birth-control.html. Hope it helps. It is a lengthy respone.
Question: "What does the Bible say about birth control? Should Christians use birth control?”
Answer: Man was commissioned by God "to be fruitful and multiply" (Genesis 1:28) and marriage was instituted by God as a stable environment to have and rear children. In our society, children are often considered a nuisance and a burden. They stand in the way of people's career paths, financial goals, and they “crimp your style” socially. Often selfishness is at the root of contraceptive use.
Genesis 38 tells of Judah's sons, Er and Onan. Er married a woman named Tamar, but he was wicked and the Lord killed him, leaving Tamar with no husband or children. Tamar was given in marriage to Er's brother, Onan, in accordance with the law of levirate marriage in Deuteronomy 25:5-6. Onan did not want to split his inheritance with any child that he might sire on Tamar on his brother's behalf, so he practiced the oldest form of birth control. Genesis 38:10 says "What he did was wicked in the Lord's sight ; so He put him to death also." Onan's motivation was selfish: he used Tamar for his own pleasure, but refused to perform his “brotherly” duty of creating an heir for his deceased brother. It was not the act of contraception that caused the Lord to put Onan to death, but rather Onan’s selfish motives behind the action. Here are some verses that describe children from God's perspective:
A gift from God: Genesis 4:1, Genesis 33:5
A heritage from the Lord: Psalm 127:3-5
A blessing from God: Luke 1:42
A crown to the aged: Proverbs 17:6
God blesses barren women with children: Psalm 113:9, Genesis 21:1-3, 25:21-22, and 30:1-2, 1 Samuel 1:6-8, Luke 1:7, 24-25
God forms children in the womb: Psalm 139:13-16
God knows children before birth: Jeremiah 1:5, Galatians 1:15
It is important to view children as God sees them, not as the world tells us we should. Having said that, the Bible does not forbid contraception. Contraception, by it's definition, is the merely opposite of conception. It is not the act of contraception itself that determines whether it is wrong or right. As we learned from Onan, it is the motivation behind the contraception that determines if it is right or wrong. If a person is practicing contraception because they will have more for themselves, then it is wrong. If a person is practicing contraception in order to temporarily delay children until they are more mature and more financially and spiritually prepared, then it is acceptable to use contraception for a time. Again, it all comes back to your motivation.
Recommended Resource: Birth Control for Christians: Making Wise Choices by Jenell Paris.
Kelml posts: This is taken from the following URL: http://www.gotquestions.org/birth-control.html. Hope it helps. It is a lengthy respone.
Question: "What does the Bible say about birth control? Should Christians use birth control?”
Answer: Man was commissioned by God "to be fruitful and multiply" (Genesis 1:28) and marriage was instituted by God as a stable environment to have and rear children. In our society, children are often considered a nuisance and a burden. They stand in the way of people's career paths, financial goals, and they “camp your style” socially. Often selfishness is at the root of contraceptive use.
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Thank you for an interesting contribution.
MORGANITE
Every person has the right to their own beliefs about contraception. However, women have every right to control their own body and to make their own decisions about birth control, sex and when to have a child.
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Originally Posted by PrettynPetite1
I appreciate your answer, but you left someone out.
What about the little life inside the woman? Does he or she have any rights at all? Usually, this person is th eonly one who has absolutely no say in the whole matter.
It did not volunteer to be born, and, if aborted, it would have no say in that either. What say you?
The woman who is considering having an abortion was once a foetus. When did her 'rights' begin? In the womb? On reaching her legal majority?
What was, under your scheme, denied to her once, now becomes a right. A right that she denies to the life she carries in her womb.
I'd appreciate further explanation.
MORGANITE
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Morganite... great question and comments. When will women quite buying into this lie that we own our bodies??
Prettypetite, I acknowledge that there are other belief systems out there but there is still only one Creator... and it is He that created us (including you), he knew us before we were in our mother's womb.
Your not fighting a law, a political stance, nor a religion. Your fighting a spiritual battle and your not even aware. Don't let popular belief nor modern day trends lead your astray... know who your enemy is. Believe me, he knows you.
So, women don't own their bodies?Quote:
Originally Posted by kelml
I hope you realize that there are natural substances that work like contraceptives. Slaves used them all the time here in America.Quote:
Originally Posted by drali77
That's why there's the "morning after" pill. Abortions usually can't be done until the middle of the first trimester, I think?Quote:
Originally Posted by bucker
Also, I'm on birth control, and at my age, why not? It's better to be prepared for when you have a child and everyone needs sexual freedom.
... did you not bother to read the rest of my post? Yes, I own the body that God made for me... and I can make chioces to do with my body as I please. However, as a child of God; I try to walk in truth and light and make choices that are based on the word of God... not opinions from men (and women) who kill our unborn children in the name of "feminism."
Who are we to judge people in god's name? People should have the right to privacy which includes the ability to use birth control. It is not anyone's place to judge other people. I'm not a religious person, but I do believe in god and god forgives all humans. You have the freedom to oppose contraception, but you shouldn't impose your biblical beliefs on others.
Let's say you are in no financial position to, but you end up having five kids, and you can barely provide for them. Why would your put your "loyalty" to God over the well-being of children? Why have a child if you cannot provide a good life for them, don't you think that's unfair?Quote:
Originally Posted by kelml
You are the kind of WEIRDOS who are trying to shut down Planned Parenthood and contraceptives. Do you have any idea about how horrible and painful illegal abortions were, and how it would be if they were like that again? Who said women kill their babies in the name of "feminism"? Did God "say" feminism is wrong too?
I think contraception & that does not include abortion is a very logical approach. For those of you guys who are totally against it, try going to third world countries where they have 11 children, no work & still in their late 30s. There are still countries who discourage contraception & they have children dying from poverty & malnutrition. The teachings of the Church may be against contraception but 1 thing,we have a REASONABLE & UNDERSTANDING God who knows that at these times, too many children is not practical. I would rather be protected than add misery to this world bringing forth children I could not even support! That for me, would even be a bigger sin.
I agree Dimples but the fundamentalist christians may come back and say that sexual relations are only for procreation. Which would mean I guess that if you have 2 kids you've had sex a grand total of 2 times in your life. If that's how they want to live their life that's fine with me.
... my original email response was a guideline to contraception. My second response was tageted at abortion. I agree with many of the comments about the use of contraceptives when a family cannot afford or is not able to emotionally or financially accommodate children. However, this WEIRDO does not advocate abortion for any reason... and my fundamentalist attitude extends this to the following scenarios: RAPE, DISEASE, ETC. Murder is Murder.
Let me try to restate my comments so those of you who are so quick to lash out with name calling might have an opportunity to think before you type.
You can believe what you want to believe; those are your freedoms afforded to you by God himself. I am simply stating the truth that Satan, yes Satan, is very cunning and manipulative. You are so concerned that a human being is trying to convert you to a way of truth and your blinded to the fact that Satan himself is converting your thought patterns. He (Satan) always manipulates us with things, thoughts, and false beliefs that seem so logical that we never question them... we just follow blindly.
To summarize, I know that many of you cannot wait to come back with accusations, crass assumptions, and some of you may resort to name calling. So be it... this WEIRDO will pray for you... your salvation and the salvation of your future generations. Your not fighiting against me or people like me... your fight is against an enemy that your in denial about.
Dude, relax. Since when did the word fundamentalist become a bad thing?
It means: a movement or attitude stressing strict and literal adherence to a set of basic principles (see:http://www.m-w.com/cgi-bin/dictionar...fundamentalist) and you fit the bill. I see no need to get defensive. I'm not fighting with anyone nor am I in denial about anything. You have your religious beliefs and I have mine, please don't look down your nose at me because I am not like you - I don't do that to you. Try a little tolerance and accept that others just may be a little different than you.
Also my post wasn't speaking directly of you, not sure where you got that idea.
I was not looking "down my nose" at you or anyone else. Again, it is extremely difficult to communicate emotions, expressions, intent over the internet. That is why we waste so much of our time replying to posts trying to get our points and opinions across so others can understand and not
mis-interpret.
My only goal is to try and live my life in the will of God. I slip daily and try to do better the next. When I see opportunity to share what I have been blessed to learn... I take that opportunity and pray that someone is open to hearing truth. Believe me, I spent many years of my life believing the very same things that I have read in these posts. I've explored agnostic beliefs and others. Nothing has ever made changes in my life like the love of Jesus Christ.
In closing, please note that I am a female. I have no children, nor any plans to.. and I have had an abortion many years ago. Perhaps this puts some perspective into where I am coming from. I come from experience, from the chaos and pain that my past decisions and choices have caused in my lilfe. I wish that I would have listened to some of those fundamentalists earlier in my life. Perhaps I would not have spent so many miserable years searching for fulfillment and acceptance from those who are not capable of giving it.
I'm happy that you found something that offers you comfort. I hope that you have no regrets about past events. Take care.
Women do own their bodies, but they do not own the body growing inside their bodies, and do not own the right to kill that other body.Quote:
Originally Posted by NeedKarma
Can you see the difference?
MORGANITE
Damn, you love to argue all day don't you.Quote:
Originally Posted by Morganite
NeedKarma, don't waste your time arguing with Morganite. You will only be subjected to his fundamental beliefs. Even though, most of us don't like his missionary remarks, however, he has the right to excise his freedom of speech.
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Originally Posted by NeedKarma
I'm willing to learn from the Big Dogs.
You tell me what the rules are and I will follow them.
MORGANITE
:rolleyes:
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Originally Posted by SnideynSnotty
NK has not argued with me, only insulted me. She is crappier than you are. I don't need your permission to have freedom of speech. What makes imagine I am a fundamentalist? Delsional? If snotty remarks are the best you can do, you have my sympathy, but if snide and snot are all you have to lay on the table, you have some serious growing up to do.
MORGANITE
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Abortions can be done at any age of gestation. Some even at 7 months. I do think it is entirely up to the woman. That is her decision & for her conscience to bear. But I am still very much pro birth control per se as I think overpopulation begets more crime & poverty & hatred. Let us ride with the times. Unplanned conception is just too great a burden so rather I'd be safe than sorry.Quote:
Originally Posted by c7c7
MORGANITE, you have resorted to name calling and you have the nerve to tell me that I have some growing up to do. A grown man such as yourself shouldn't be imposing your biblical beliefs on women. Women have the right to control their own body and to make their own decisions about birth control and sex whether you like it or not. It is not your place to judge us.
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