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If the gases always were, then how did they suddenly decide to form into worlds, stars, plants, animals and people? Where did the order and beauty come from if not designed?

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EVOLUTION!

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Originally Posted by KBC

Because we do not pray to oxygen.

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No... YOU don't pray to oxygen.

I do. Or rather, I pray to the Element of Air. And that of Fire, Earth, Water, and Spirit.

Others pray to trees. Or stars (ever wished on a star?). Or volcanoes. Get the picture?

YOU believe that your god created the universe. OTHERS don't.

YOUR religion is right for YOU. The fact that your mind is closed to what others believe is what scares the bejesus out of me.

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Originally Posted by Miss Sparkle

I didnt mean that, i meant that having religion may make you a better person. If you're already a fantastic person and you dont feel you need religion then well done to you :) im a good person and i dont need religion

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I still don't like the way you used the term better, I don't understand why some of those that have religion qualifies them to be a 'better' person than me or others

If the poison were sending down the Mississippi river eventually kills off all marine life at the gulf of Mexico, how will that area ever be restored?

Evolution,adaptation to the new surroundings,new and more tolerant species able to deal with the new chemical imbalances.

How did man come to make a wheel? Was it divine intervention that gave him the ability to deduce the idea from thin air?

How does nature decide to send planets spiraling around each other,divine also,NO it is fact,magnetism and gravity.

Even Darwin agreed that if there was one thing that proved him wrong he'd throw out the theory. He was always puzzled by the complexity of the eye and the peacock's feather. He wrote an essay stating that he could not account for these things, yet this is not common knowledge.

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If the gases always were, then how did they suddenly decide to form into worlds, stars, plants, animals and people? Where did the order and beauty come from if not designed?

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There's no reason why they had to be always there in a constant state, they coul dbe constantly part of a process, and the big bang happened when that process reached the stage when it became unstable and big banged. The collapse of the last universe could have caused the big bang of this one.

What order and beauty? Evolution only explains plants and people and animals. The universe is a dull and ugly place. Gravity explains most of the order out there.

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He wrote an essay stating that he could not account for these things, yet this is not common knowledge.

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The commer comes after the 'yet'

Where does magnatism and gravity come from? Why is the earth the only planet that has life? If evolution worked, wouldn't there be life everywhere since evolution states that the universe was created at once?

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If the poison were sending down the Mississippi river eventually kills off all marine life at the gulf of Mexico, how will that area ever be restored?

Evolution,adaptation to the new surroundings,new and more tolerant species able to deal with the new chemical imbalances.

How did man come to make a wheel? Was it divine intervention that gave him the ability to deduce the idea from thin air?

How does nature decide to send planets spiraling around each other,divine also,NO it is fact,magnetism and gravity.

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Originally Posted by savedsinner7

Even Darwin agreed that if there was one thing that proved him wrong he'd throw out the theory. He was always puzzled by the complexity of the eye and the peacock's feather. He wrote an essay stating that he could not account for these things, yet this is not common knowledge.

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Have you ever read the origin of species? He goes on to suggest a way that the eye could have evolved a few pages after suggesting that it might be puzzling. He uses the same kind of asking a question then giving an answer throughout the whole book, it's the way he wrote. He was not puzzled by the eye.

They didn't suddenly come into being. It took billions of years. The reason earth is so perfect for us is because we adapted to life on earth, if earth was different we either wouldn't be or we would be different. It's that simple we are a peg that has been rounded over millions of years to fit the round hole.

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Where does magnatism and gravity come from? Why is the earth the only planet that has life? If evolution worked, wouldn't there be life everywhere since evolution states that the universe was created at once?

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How do you know there isn't?

I just went to the darwin exibit at the field museum in Chicago. He wrote the origin of species in a hurry because someone else was publishing something similar, after he had been afraid to publish his ideas that he had worked out, but not written into book form, over the past 15 years because he feared he would spark controversy with the Church, and he didn't want his wife to be involved in that.

It would be pretty natural for him to have been thinking about an eye being too comples on one page, then answer his own question later, if he was in such a hurry to write it.

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Where does magnatism and gravity come from?

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These come from inherent properties of matter? You want matter to have no inherent properties?

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Why is the earth the only planet that has life? If evolution worked, wouldn't there be life everywhere since evolution states that the universe was created at once?

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Earth is the only planet that has life? That's a pretty far-fetched statement. What evidence do you have? Evolution doesn't state anything about the creation of the universe.

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No....YOU don't pray to oxygen.

I do. Or rather, I pray to the Element of Air. And that of Fire, Earth, Water, and Spirit.

Others pray to trees. Or stars (ever wished on a star?). Or volcanoes. Get the picture?

YOU believe that your god created the universe. OTHERS don't.

YOUR religion is right for YOU. The fact that your mind is closed to what others believe is what scares the bejesus out of me.

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I am in total agreement with you, I don't subscribe to the creating of the universe by a divine being,I am too intellectual to fall prey to a concept which I see as unprovable.

Yes, I wish on stars almost every night( have yet to see a wish come true, that's show biz... LOL)

I am sorry it seems my views are looked at as closed minded, I am only looking for discussion,often playing the devils advocate.

Ken

The order and beauty of the human body for one. How do you explain the machinery of your cells?There are many studies done on the human cell that prove the order necessary for life to exist. Randomness does not produce life. The Biology Project: Cell Biology There can be no mistakes in the cell or it dies or does not function as intended. DNA replication is a very precise order. http://207.207.4.198/pub/flash/24/menu.swf This is order and beauty.
Isaiah 45:7
I form the light and create darkness, I make peace and create calamity; I, the LORD, do all these things.'
What about the order of the seasons? The rotation of the earth? The process of life? All of these things are ordered and not random. Evolution was a theory based on randomness. Creation is based on order. There is order to life. Randomness and chaos to death.
Isaiah 65:18
But be glad and rejoice forever in what I create;

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Originally Posted by savedsinner7

The order and beauty of the human body for one. How do you explain the machinery of your cells?There are many studies done on the human cell that prove the order necessary for life to exist. Randomness does not produce life. The Biology Project: Cell Biology There can be no mistakes in the cell or it dies or does not function as intended. DNA replication is a very precise order. http://207.207.4.198/pub/flash/24/menu.swf This is order and beauty.
Isaiah 45:7
I form the light and create darkness, I make peace and create calamity; I, the LORD, do all these things.’
What about the order of the seasons? The rotation of the earth? the process of life? All of these things are ordered and not random. Evolution was a theory based on randomness. Creation is based on order. there is order to life. Randomness and chaos to death.
Isaiah 65:18
But be glad and rejoice forever in what I create;

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Like I said, evolution explains the order of animals and plants. Anything that is not ordered enough to live just dies and does not pass on the disorder. Evolution is anything but random.

Hello saved:

It's not about randomness at all. You just don't understand it. You've got bits and pieces, but they don't make a theory. I think until you grasp the whole thing, you're better off not arguing about it.

excon

Evolution states that man came from ooze, or a single celled organism. This cannot be. Millions of different species cannot come from one cell. There is design in the order of creation.

Debunking Evolution - problems, errors, and lies of evolution exposed as false and wrong

ACK---KBC, my apologies. I have to spread the love first, but you're right. I was looking at what you wrote, and not who wrote it. I, too, play devil's advocate, so I apologize for taking your words out of context.

I still mean what I said... I just don't think that you, personally, are close-minded. I was going with the argument, and I should have paid better attention to who wrote it.