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Originally Posted by Credendovidis

If you want to argue the validity of Christanity than do not make such incorrect statements.
The various Bible books were written between ca. 1400 B.C and 100 AD. By A.D. 200 there was general agreement by the major Christian communities on the core of our New Testament. In his Festal Letter for A.D. 367, St. Athanasius, Bishop of Alexandria, was the first to list the twenty-seven canonical books of the New Testament.

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You just proved how much time was involved in the writing of the bible. Thanks.

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Originally Posted by jrwild62

You just proved how much time was involved in the writting of the bible. Thanks.

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No. I proved that you were wrong in your statement.

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Originally Posted by Credendovidis

No. I proved that you were wrong in your statement.

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If you are trying to back he bible and its illusion, I'm sorry, Prove it! You can't,, not in 6000 years

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Originally Posted by jrwild62

If you are trying to back he bible and its illusion, I'm sorry, Prove it! You can't,,,, not in 6000 years

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Why would I try to back up a book full of unsupported wild religious claims?
But that does not mean that you without any retort can state clearly incorrect claim like :

The fact that the bible was written 300 years after the death of Jesus raises questions off the bat.

That is NOT correct, and I posted WHY that is NOT correct.

That is why I stated : "No. I proved that you were wrong in your statement."

BTW : I am a "4.3 Billion year person" ! Of course, as that is backed up by scientific OSE.

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BTW : I am a "4.3 Billion year person" ! Of course, as that is back up by scientific OSE.

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What does that mean?

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Originally Posted by cozyk

What does that mean?

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The solar system is around 4.300.000.000 years old (= 4,3 Billion years).
So I base my worldview on science supported facts, not on religious claims.

OSE = Objective Supported Evidence = Evidence that can be backed-up with actual data - in contrast to wild unsupported religious claims.

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Originally Posted by Credendovidis

The solar system is around 4.300.000.000 years old (= 4,3 Billion years).
So I base my worldview on science supported facts, not on religious claims.

OSE = Objective Supported Evidence = Evidence that can be backed-up with actual data - in contrast to wild unsupported religious claims.

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Thank you for clearing that up.

Let's go back to the original topic question : "does god really exist?"

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Originally Posted by shemilo

well....im not an athiest ...im just confused.....everytime i want to believe in god....i keep having that lingering doubt...i feel...maybe there isnt god....??i dont know what to do ...help....:( i hope that something might help me change my views for a positive outcome..

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All I will do here is suggest to deeply research why you feel the way you do : what is it that causes you to question all that ?
And next to that : educate yourself. "Google" around to look into all formats of belief and non-belief. Why consider to be a Christian, Jew, Hindu, Buddhist, Muslim, Deist, Agnosticm, or Atheist etc. Just because you were born into such a family? Which belief or non-belief shows most appeal to you? Why do you feel you HAVE to choose now? Ever considered temporal/permanent alternatives like Deism, Agnosticism, or Atheism?

Keep your mind open to alternative views. Let nobody force his or her religious views upon you.
As to your topic question : there is no proof of any kind that God exists. All you can do is believe that God exists. Or you can reject belief in the existence of God. It is up to you to decide ! And you have an entire lifetime to take your decision.

All the best with that.

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Originally Posted by Credendovidis

Why would I try to back up a book full of unsupported wild religious claims?
But that does not mean that you without any retort can state clearly incorrect claim like :

The fact that the bible was written 300 years after the death of Jesus raises questions off the bat.

That is NOT correct, and I posted WHY that is NOT correct.

That is why I stated : "No. I proved that you were wrong in your statement."

BTW : I am a "4.3 Billion year person" ! Of course, as that is backed up by scientific OSE.

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I misunderstoood the opinions you conveyed. Sorry.
But all the unproven possibilies must be considered. You can't have a closed mind in this discussion. I am not the "Rocket Scientist". But I think we could have a universe in our fingernail. Or visa-Versa. Far-fetched,, Yes. Prove me wrong then! I challenge you, smiling.

NOTE, Without Bible quotes,, GO...

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Originally Posted by jrwild62

But I think we could have a universe in our fingernail. Or visa-Versa.

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Indeed we could ! At the minor side I often think along the same lines, when you hear that atoms are build up from quarks, and that quarks are build-up again from fields, and that these fields... When will it ever stop?

At the mayor side however there is a clear limit : going from atom to earth to solar system to galaxy to universe, the limit is space-time. We as part of this universe will never be able to get passed that space-time.

Thinking if something is "outside" our universe makes no sense : for us there is no "outside" to our universe ! Thinking otherwise is pure speculation and nothing else!!

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Indeed we could ! At the minor side I often think along the same lines, when you hear that atoms are build up from quarks, and that quarks are build-up again from fields, and that these fields ......When will it ever stop?

At the mayor side however there is a clear limit : going from atom to earth to solar system to galaxy to universe, the limit is space-time. We as part of this universe will never be able to get passed that space-time.

Thinking if something is "outside" our universe makes no sense : for us there is no "outside" to our universe ! Thinking otherwise is pure speculation and nothing else !!!

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I AGREE. I think that's just the point. There is no winner in this debate. WE simply do not know. If we disagree on that, we agree. Since none of the 2 trillion people that have ever lived on this planet know the answer, it is simply debatable at best. It is the very base of all scientific thinking. Like Einstein and the like, not religion. Religion relies on wild stories of HELL and suffering. Please don't let that be your reality. Your children if they so happen to, work on one Sunday, in their entire lives, WORK, you are telling them that they will go to hell forever. Lord forbid that they have an impure thought while a teenager in high school. One thought like that and your child will burn in hell for trillions of years,, and then, many more trillions beyond that. FOR having a sexual thought in his/her teens. Is that fair and just?

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Originally Posted by shemilo

well....im not an athiest ...im just confused.....everytime i want to believe in god....i keep having that lingering doubt...i feel...maybe there isnt god....??i dont know wht to do ...help....:(
i hope that something might help me change my veiws for a positive outcome..

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I know of some personal training that would assist you in finding out about god. It is non denominational but you will find your answer... guaranteed... you will find out who you are and how you do life. God is in our hearts sometimes we just don't know how to find it.

I'm not an atheist either but I'm in the same boat as you. My mom is a firm believer, my dad is agnostic, and I think my sister is an atheist. Yes its one hell of a family. Haha but I don't get how people can revolve their whole live around a man in the sky.. or around a book for that matter. I don't get it either.. and look at a picture from space.. you can't see heaven or hell.. how do people know its real?

shemilo,
Yes, I have faith that there is a God.
My faith is a religious faith that is more than just belief.
Religious faith is one which is belief, trust and a knowing. That is I know there is a God.
God has answered my prayers and I believe that he saved my life in the Korean conflict.
There is no scientific proof that there is a God, but I suspect that there soon will be. Quantum mechanics already points to a supreme intelligence and has converted several scientists.
One of them in particular is John Polkinghone who has written several books about that.
A good one is "Exploring Reality". It show how science and mathematics reality DOES indicate a God. Polkinghorne was so convince that he became an Anglican Priest.
Another EXCELLENT book is by a former atheist, C.S. Lewis.
His book "Mere Christianity" has converted many people to belief in God and Christianity.
He uses very good, sound logic to argue is well made points concerning we peopleand how and who we are.
I recommend that you read both books.
If you do I'll bet you a nice warm chocolate covered jelly doughnut that your doubts about God will disappear.
Peace and kindness,
Fred

I believe more in a Universal Consciousness rather than a person sitting up in the clouds with a judgmental "Smite" button. I think this Consciousness is an energy rather than a judgment.

Digipix,
Believe as you wish.
I'll respect that.
I also do not believe in some being "sitting up in the clouds"
I believe in my God who rules from heaven far beyond this eath's clouds.
Peace and kindness,
Fred.

My brother of course GOD exist... He is in your heart... if evil exist then the nicest man on the universe as well... He lives in your heart... God has been there for me even thow I once thought he wasn't... He testes you to see how much faith you have that's why he confuses you... I have been through a lot in my life to the point I fell and guess what sweetie he picked me up and gave me a lot of love... So many so call witches told me I could never get pregnant, that someone had blocked me from having kids... and I believed since I would get pregnant and guess what I went to church and regreted my sins and they prayed for me and 2-3 months later I got pregnant . Have Faith.. we come from a wonderful place and we are just her to get a point of view then we are back when our time ends here... Believe in Past Lifes, that's why we have Dajavus and so on... God sends us here to see if we learned our mistakes from previouse past life which is called Karma... God Bless you and Remember he is there when you go to sleep and when you wake up.. Dont doubt him, He is all OVER

Lady_Ghost,
I am very happy for you.
Thanks,
Peace and kindness,
Fred

Have you ever asked yourself why we're here? Science can certainly explain phenomena in the natural world and how they occur but no matter how far their investigations go, scientists can never answer the question why. Why was the universe here in the first place? In other words science is limited, whereas God is not. He can and has explained in his word the bible why we are here and his purpose for us.
If there is a creator (some all powerful, invisible, supernatural being) out there, we can't expect to comprehend this one by means of telescopes or microscopes.
Take for example a painter who creates a beautiful painting. How much will you learn about the painter and the reason for the painting just by examining the painting itself? Of course you need to go to the one who created it. As in the case of Michelangelo or Da Vinci, they died many years before you or I were born, so we go to books to learn about them and their thoughts behind their art.
Although the internet holds a wealth of information on a lot of things one needs to be wary of the origin and motive of some sites. My advice to you is to go to the bible for your questions. You probably need help in understanding it too so ask God for his holy spirit to guide you. If you really really want the truth and God can see this in your heart, he'll open the way for you.

Moparbyfar,
Excellent.
Good advice.
Peace and kindness,
Fred