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Originally Posted by MOWERMAN2468

o.k. that is your right to believe such. but can scientist explain any other being being able to be dead for 3 days and RISE AGAIN? and hey, that is not natural process either. so, yes I believe in God. And i hope everyone else will come to know him before it is everlasting, i said EVERLASTING, THAT MEANS ETERNITY, toooooo late.

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And exactly how was it proven that a being rose from the dead? Aside from words written in a book by mortal MEN... where is YOUR proof?

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Originally Posted by firmbeliever

Thanks for explaining,
Now I have another question, you did say that this is a "universally" observed phenomenon.
I believe that the Almighty exists outside of the laws that are applicable to the created beings existing in this universe and beyond. Wouldnt this make a difference?

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God may exist outside the laws of physics, but I do not believe he breaks those laws once he has established them.

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Originally Posted by deist

God may exist outside the laws of physics, but I do not believe he breaks those laws once he has established them.

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Do not think I am trying to bait you or anger you.
I am asking you each question as I see an answer in my belief/faith.

Another question-
How about if the universe ceases to exist, would it not be possible then for the resurrection to occur?

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Originally Posted by firmbeliever

Do not think I am trying to bait you or anger you.
I am asking you each question as I see an answer in my belief/faith.

Another question-
How about if the universe ceases to exist, would it not be possible then for the resurrection to occur?

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Some deists believe in life after death & some don't. I'm one of the "I don't knows" about life after death. Even if there is no resurrection of physical bodies, we may still exist in some form in an afterlife. And I'm not angry.

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Originally Posted by deist

Some deists believe in life after death & some don't. I'm one of the "I don't knows" about life after death. Even if there is no resurrection of physical bodies, we may still exist in some form in an afterlife. And I'm not angry.

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Ok, I believe you are not angry:) .
But you did not answer,
If the universe ceased to exist, would this make law of entropy also disappear?Hence resurrection is possible?

I know you said you belong to "I dont know" of life after death,but you seem to be trying out theories,so I was just curious...

Thanks

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Originally Posted by firmbeliever

Ok, I believe you are not angry:) .
But you did not answer,
if the universe ceased to exist, would this make law of entropy also disappear?Hence resurrection is possible?

I know you said you belong to "I dont know" of life after death,but you seem to be trying out theories,so I was just curious....

Thanks

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What you ask is always possible, however, according to science, once maximum entropy is reached no further work can be done. But, as I said, it is always possible.

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Originally Posted by deist

What you ask is always possible, however, according to science, once maximum entropy is reached no further work can be done. But, as I said, it is always possible.

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Thanks,
Maybe the difference in you and me is just that.
I do not think the Almighty fits under human scientific theories/laws,only we (the created beings,like everything on this universe and beyond ) are obeying/under the influence of these laws.
As there are places beyond our planet earth where gravitation has no effect, just like that I think the Almighty exists outside all things that the created beings face.

FYI,
I do not believe God to be human or half human etc.

EDIT:::::I should have mentioned it was the earth's gravitational pull I was talking about,
Deist, sorry for the confusion..:)

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Originally Posted by firmbeliever

Thanks,
Maybe the difference in you and me is just that.
I do not think the Almighty fits under human scientific theories/laws,only we (the created beings,like everything on this universe and beyond ) are obeying/under the influence of these laws.
As there are places beyond our planet earth where gravitation has no effect, just like that I think the Almighty exists outside all things that the created beings face.

FYI,
I do not believe God to be human or half human etc.

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I know of no place in the observable universe where gravity has no influence. At least I've read nothing in science about it.

I don't believe that all things come to an end. Just because something begins... doesn't mean that it has to end. An example of that can be ascertained if one assumes that nothing made God... therefore God always was. And if God always was then this could be said to be an example of something that had no beginning. AND if that is so then why not a beginning that has no end? I believe in transition, not death. I believe there to be some form of continuity or transitional residue that enables the cycle of ANYTHING to sustain or complete itself time and time again.

And who created the bible pple did do you believe anything pple tell you

Well.. yes of coure! Science has contributed a lot in our knowledge that it even taught us about the evolution of man. From ramaphitecus to today's homo sapiens sapiens, but let me tell you this.. YOU SHOULD NOT BELIEVE THIS THINGS!! Yes there are a lot of differences between the bible and your biology book just because your biology book has proof to what does it says,. that does not mean you have to believe it! Let me tell you a story that our social studies teacher told us. It starts with this.. there were scientists who were digging lots and lots of soil. Upon their digging they have discovered fossils that live some million years ago, after that they have dug so deep in the earhts crust. They placed a sound speaker device (a device which absorbs the sounds produced in the on the place were it was placed on) on the placed were they dug.To their supprise they heard ¨screams¨, screams that seemed to came from the suffering souls in hell!! Let me as you a question have you ever seen a ghost? Even in imagination? Well this is all I will say to you,. IF EVIL EXIST SO AS CHRIST!

YES... have faith

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Originally Posted by shemilo

well....im not an athiest ...im just confused.....everytime i want to believe in god....i keep having that lingering doubt...i feel...maybe there isnt god....??i dont know wht to do ...help....:(
i hope that something might help me change my veiws for a positive outcome..

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"Doubt is a wonderful place of rest; but not residence" Do not fear your doubt, but rather go with it. Keep searching and you will discover your own truth on whether God exists or not. Also whether you have faith or not. Do not give up. The answer is within you... no one can answer your own questioning.

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Originally Posted by CHSaint

"Doubt is a wonderful place of rest; but not residence" Do not fear your doubt, but rather go with it. Keep searching and you will discover your own truth on whether God exists or not. Also whether you have faith or not. Do not give up. The answer is within you...no one can answer your own questioning.

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"Doubt is the ants in the pants of faith." -- Frederick Buechner

I feel there is no "proof" of God. I don't think he is some entity "out there some where".
I think he is the little voice in your head and the feeling in your heart that guides your choices. It's like love. You feel it, but it is not tangible.

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Originally Posted by shemilo

well....im not an athiest ...im just confused.....everytime i want to believe in god....i keep having that lingering doubt...i feel...maybe there isnt god....??i dont know wht to do ...help....:(
i hope that something might help me change my veiws for a positive outcome..

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Open to any page of the Bible and ask yourself if you want this God to exist. That is if you can find a page that does not contain his murderous rampage of babies and non-believers. You would be challenged to find a single page where God is not angry at something.

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Originally Posted by MOWERMAN2468

o.k. that is your right to believe such. but can scientist explain any other being being able to be dead for 3 days and RISE AGAIN? and hey, that is not natural process either. so, yes I believe in God. And i hope everyone else will come to know him before it is everlasting, i said EVERLASTING, THAT MEANS ETERNITY, toooooo late.

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Your version of god is terrifying! I do believe in God but the christian/bible God is a god of CONDITIONAL love and acceptance.

Can you imagine saying to your child, believe this far fetched story and spend eternity with me, if you don't believe it, or even if you were never even exposed to it, then you can spend eternity in a miserable hell. And... I (god) am fine with that because "I told you so."

Scientist don't need to explain the resurrection because there is no PROOF that it happened.
Maybe it did, maybe it didn't but the bible is a book filled with hearsay so you can't go by that.

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Originally Posted by cozyk

Your version of god is terrifying! I do believe in God but the christian/bible God is a god of CONDITIONAL love and acceptance.

Can you imagine saying to your child, believe this far fetched story and spend eternity with me, if you don't believe it, or even if you were never even exposed to it, then you can spend eternity in a miserable hell. And...I (god) am fine with that because "I told you so."

Scientist don't need to explain the resurrection because there is no PROOF that it happened.
Maybe it did, maybe it didn't but the bible is a book filled with hearsay so you can't go by that.

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The fact that the bible was written 300 years after the death of Jesus raises questions off the bat. Then,, it was modified by anyone who thought they had a better idea. How anyone can take the bible literally will never cease to amaze me. In fact, I think humans in general are deeply flawed. Billions of people still think this white guy with long white hair lives in the clouds. Just think about that for one second.
Out of the 1000's of inaccuracies in that book of fiction, here is the one that gets me. In Revelations, when the 6th bloody lamb killed something, "All the stars fell from the sky and were lying on the ground like little figs. Seems funny since most stars are a millions times larger than the earth. Not very good science. But of course religion says that science is evil and wrong. Sorry, but 2+2 still equals 4

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Originally Posted by jrwild62

The fact that the bible was written 300 years after the death of Jesus raises questions off the bat. Then,,,, it was modified by anyone who thought they had a better idea. How anyone can take the bible literally will never cease to amaze me. In fact, I think humans in general are deeply flawed. Billions of people still think this white guy with long white hair lives in the clouds. Just think about that for one second.
Out of the 1000's of inaccuracies in that book of fiction, here is the one that gets me. In Revelations, when the 6th bloody lamb killed something, "All the stars fell from the sky and were lying on the ground like little figs. Seems funny since most stars are a millions times larger than the earth. Not very good science. But of course religion says that science is evil and wrong. Sorry, but 2+2 still equals 4

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Yes, my version is terrifying. Open up the bible to any page. Tell me it is not terrifying in its content.

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Originally Posted by jrwild62

The fact that the bible was written 300 years after the death of Jesus raises questions off the bat.

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If you want to argue the validity of Christanity than do not make such incorrect statements.
The various Bible books were written between ca. 1400 B.C and 100 AD. By A.D. 200 there was general agreement by the major Christian communities on the core of our New Testament. In his Festal Letter for A.D. 367, St. Athanasius, Bishop of Alexandria, was the first to list the twenty-seven canonical books of the New Testament.

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