... Without having to deal with vitiligo patches or the like, of course.

I have never seen anyone at all other than Vitiligo victims and MJ who wore chalky makeup all over his body.

So is it really possible. I just looked at the Makari video and those people who use it and work there look extremely dark brown, not light by any means. The fair and flawless woman also looks dark.

Personally I consider a complexion a minimum of Aishwarya Rai, and lighter, "fair" or light. And she's not that fair at all, rather wheat-complected, no?

Wonder if she uses anything? LOL

http://desi-galaxy.sabza.org/wp-cont...-beautiful.jpg

Of course Aishwarya Rai used lighteners, because in her earlier bollywood films she was darker compared to her recent films.

With the Makari video, we would have to see their before photos in order to compare with the after to notice any lightening... they probably never tried to lighten their skin, just into making money from those who desire to lighten their skin. The lady on the website with the mint lollipop is just a web design template they purchased from somewhere, I don't remember the template site though. The same for the owner of fair&flawless, that could be her original color and she may just enjoy selling the lightening products instead of using them. That's just my guess.

My dear Golden twin, so you're certain she lightened her skin, not just moisturisers mask, exfoliation? Okay thanks. In Her Miss universe photos she does look slightly darker.

So does anyone know what products Aishwarya uses or has advertised for at some point?

Because of her light eyes, I find she's very sexy even at her darkest.

http://www.bollywoodbrazil.com/films...hwaryaRai1.jpg

http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_r-gKSVVM2R...rya-loreal.jpg

But I think she looks best when she's fairer.

http://www.masala.com/images/tmp/ful...ush_1_full.jpg

Maybe her foundations a bit too light there, though. Hmm I don't see much of a difference in her over the years, overall. That's a good thing, though :)

I think she must have lightened her skin. Because whenever she is interviewed by someone in America. The first thing they do is ask her about skin lightening creams and if she uses them. She was on Tyra. Tyra asked her and she lied right through her teeth and Tyra had a shady vibe toward her the rest of the interview. Oprah asked her and she lied. But Oprah didn't really care.

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she lied right through her teeth and Tyra had a shady vibe toward her the rest of the interview.

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Lol... she may not have lightened dramatically, but I noticed her body along with her face, has definitely lightened noticeably but subtle. Excluding tricks of the camera, exfoliation, and foundation (excuses I would use too)... she was a wheatish complexion when she first started years ago as I loved seeing her bollywood movies. Whatever method she chooses to lighten, it was done to lighten her skin all over and not just her face. As she began to transition to Western culture and the West adores her, her color has now lightened to the same shade as caucasion's complexion is and nolonger her wheatish native complexion. I believe she would also be beautiful in several shades and even a brown shade. Her wheatish color made her look more exotic. But now although still beautiful, she appears to now look more westernized.

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I think she must have lightened her skin. Because whenever she is interviewed by someone in America. The first thing they do is ask her about skin lightening creams and if she uses them. She was on Tyra. Tyra asked her and she lied right through her teeth and Tyra had a shady vibe toward her the rest of the interview. Oprah asked her and she lied. But Oprah didn't really care.

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Also most majority Americans asked, also assume she's wearing color contacts.

They think Indian = almost Black..

I guess

:confused:

Well, I know here eye color is real and that was the main feature that gives her much attention. I read somewhere that one of her parents is mixed with Caucasian or is Caucasian? But anyway, people of all races and complexions can have any eye color. My older sister's eyes are naturally a greyish green and my grandfather had grayish green eyes as well. So race does not matter when it comes to eye color.

Yes there are all shades of eye colors and skin colors, except in the extremes.

( Extremes as in Iceland or Central Africa :) )

Hmmm... I no little of Iceland, that is another place I would love to visit.

Lets go! We may get a twin discount or something! :)

Ha ha.. the Golden Ticket I believe

Lolz Gold Class?

U can have the window if you'd like, sis! :)

YaaaaY the window is the best!

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...Without having to deal with vitiligo patches or the like, of course.

I have never seen anyone at all other than Vitiligo victims and MJ who wore chalky makeup all over his body.

So is it really possible. I just looked at the Makari video and those people who use it and work there look extremely dark brown, not light by any means. The fair and flawless woman also looks dark.

Personally I consider a complexion a minimum of Aishwarya Rai, and lighter, "fair" or light. And she's not that fair at all, rather wheat-complected, no?

Wonder if she uses anything?? LOL

http://desi-galaxy.sabza.org/wp-cont...-beautiful.jpg

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I don't think she uses lightening creams because one of the skin lightening brands asked her to advertise for their products and she said that she will take no part in skin lightening creams and that she believes that you should love and embrace your own color!

She's only saying this because she's light skinned! What a B*&%#!

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I dont think she uses lightening creams cauz one of the skin lightening brands asked her to advertise for their products and she said that she will take no part in skin lightening creams and that she believes that u should love and embrace ur own color!
She's only saying this cauz shes light skinned! what a B*&%#!!

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^^^ YAY she's not only sooo beautiful, but incredibly wise and cares about her fans who idolize her!

I'm jealous of her fair-enough skin and fair eyes.

Got to love her!

:)

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I dont think she uses lightening creams cauz one of the skin lightening brands asked her to advertise for their products and she said that she will take no part in skin lightening creams and that she believes that u should love and embrace ur own color!

She's only saying this cauz shes light skinned! what a B*&%#!!

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Yeah, she refused to endorse L'oreal skin lightening cream but when she first started she was the brand ambassador of Fair & Lovely :rolleyes:... Oh well, she probably needed the money then... lol

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Yeah, she refused to endorse L'oreal skin lightening cream but when she first started out she was the brand ambassador of Fair & Lovely :rolleyes:...Oh well, she probably needed the money then...lol

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Hi Great! Oh, lets forgive her for that since fair & lovely company admits their cream doesn't lighten at all just servers as a sunblock while the white pigments make one look "fairer"... I see you have been a member over a year here, have you gotten lighter or clearer, and what have you used that worked?

Hey Golden, well, my goal is to even out my complexion rather than overall whitening... I'm about the same complexion of the first pic you posted of Ms Rai but my back is like a whole shade darker than the rest of me... :o and so far nothing has worked on my back :confused:; so the search continues.. :rolleyes:

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Also most majority Americans asked, also assume she's wearing color contacts.

They think Indian = almost Black ..

I guess

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That does not make any sense. I have seen many blacks with different colored eyes that were not contacts. I had mentioned already that my older sister and my grandfather has grayish-green eyes but they are are black like me. One of my cousins as well as my nephew somehow came out with having blue eyes. I would not consider Indians as white, but as a very mixed race as history clearly points out.

http://www.nsff.no/cms/grafikk/lars_..._blue_eyes.jpg

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v1...lueeyesp_3.jpg
http://www.blogcdn.com/www.blackvoic...-blue-eyes.jpg

I agree with Great, with Rai's past position Fair&Lovely. I believe it is now her image she must protect as she is internationally known world-wide now. F&L also has mercury content.

http://informahealthcare.com/doi/abs.../CUS-200046179
http://www.springerlink.com/content/h17403r46701423l/

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That does not make any sense. I have seen many blacks with different colored eyes that were not contacts. I had mentioned already that my older sister and my grandfather has grayish-green eyes but they are are black like me. One of my cousins as well as my nephew somehow came out with having blue eyes. I would not consider Indians as white, but as a very mixed race as history clearly points out.

Newsflash: Black People Can Have Blue Eyes Love Muffins! | LOVEBSCOTT.COM
http://us.movies1.yimg.com/movies.ya...rwandapred.jpg
http://www.lovebscott.com/wp-content...70-l101407.jpg
http://www.lovebscott.com/wp-content...etop101407.jpg
http://www.nsff.no/cms/grafikk/lars_..._blue_eyes.jpg
http://www.africancolours.net/media/...%20Wachira.jpg Here is a 100% African Kikuyu girl from Kenya

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*Awe* Beautiful what nice contrast thanks for the pics, sis!

It doesn't make sense either than when a dark person has light eyes, people tend to think/assume they are necessarily part "white"(caucasian)... like even about Aishwarya Evolutionarily, Homo sapiens erecta was light-skinned (250,000 years ago) evolved into a dark-skinned homo sapien sapiens of Africa(100,000 yrs ago) and these dark-skinned migrated all over the world since 70,000 yrs ago to present

Yeah most indian subcontinentals are some degree of mix between aryan (caucacus) and dravidian(dark south asian), and other groups of course.

I love Aishwarya!! She is so gorgeous!! I agree because 2 of my cousin's children have very fair skin and 1 of her daughters have eyes that are a very bright blue but sometimes look a very bright greyish-blue or greenish-blue.My cousin is black and she is brown skin. And the father of her children is black and light skin. Both my cousin and the father of her children have dark brown eyes. Also I heard somewhere that almost every race even Africans are mixed with something. If not in your intermediate family ,then within your ancestry are people or a person of a different race. Sometimes the genes of your ancestors can skip a generation and be passed onto your children. My grandmother had very light olive skin and my great grandmother father had bright blue eyes and my great grandmothers fathers mother was Caucasian. So in theory according to genealogy my cousin's daughter could have inherited here eyes from an ancestor. I believe that no race is pure. I think every race is a mixture of something ,some people just don't know it.My next door neighbor is Indian and she has very pale blue eyes ,but you can tell that they are her eyes. Anyone could have any Color eyes. Race doesn't matter, so I agree with you both. Also I used to always think Aishwarya eyes were real until I stumbled on to this blog that was discussing whether her eyes were real.Next thing I knew someone had put up these pictures of Aishwarya when she was a baby,teenager and little girl. In these pictures you could tell it was her and her eyes looked brown. Since my computer is still broke I was looking at all of this on my blackberry "LOL" which is like a mini computer.I saved it to my phone and showed it to my mom and emailed it. Everyone was amazed and were like how did this person get these pictures of her.She is still gorgeous to me though!

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I used to always think Aishwarya eyes were real until I stumbled on to this blog that was discussing whether her eyes were real.Next thing I knew someone had put up these pictures of Aishwarya when she was a baby,teenager and little girl. In these pictures you could tell it was her and her eyes looked brown. Since my computer is still broke I was looking at all of this on my blackberry "LOL" which is like a mini computer.I saved it to my phone and showed it to my mom and emailed it. Everyone was amazed and were like how did this person get these pictures of her.She is still gorgeous to me though!

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LOL There you go. Aishwarya's eye's are really light, just like your Indian neighbor's.

The reasons her childhood photo's eyes look dark/brown are because of the Sephia processing that was standard for India, back in the day.

Aishwarya actually wore brown contact for one of her movies, to darken her eyes for the character, and there her eyes looked fake with those brown contacts. :D

Ok... so you are saying that in the pictures when she was a baby to a little girl she was wearing brown contacts?

I'm saying her baby pics were Sephia processed.

Sephia creates a partial greyscale effect on color photos.

(Subdues color points like little pupils/eyes)

Oh OK

Vanessa Williams and the actor guy have a heavy degree of Caucasian and other non black mixed blood. The Africans with blue eyes suffer from some kind of rare eye genetic disorder which makes their eyes blue.

Hmmm but what is non black? African Americans can't claim being African... so what would that make Black people. I think that being an African American "black person" means that you have some African ancestors and ancestors from other races also. I don't believe that there is any pure race because every race is somewhat diluted.And history itself proves it.

Yeah look at Oprah. Isn't she part chinese and native american or something?

LOL No I don't think so... but she could have some Chinese or native American ancestors. Hmmm I will research that and get back to you.

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LOL No I don't think so....but she could have some Chinese or native American ancestors. Hmmm I will research that and get back to you.

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Lol Sweet, please do! :)

(... yeah I giggled after I wrote 'Chinese' and pictured Oprah :D But hey you never know... to me she doesn't really look African she has that African American Creole look, imho)

Nooooo. Golden Boy you are totally not crazy for suggesting she's chinese. Naomi Campbell is part Japanese! Who would have thought that?

I saw on a African American Lives (PBS) show that Oprah Winfrey does have some Asian ancestry.

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Nooooo. Golden Boy you are totally not crazy for suggesting she's chinese. Naomi Campbell is part Japanese! Who would have thought that?!

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Good save! So its not just Oprah, thanks! :)

You guys is it true? the reason why it is said African Americans have significant nativeam or asian blood in them is because mostly male nativeam, chinese, japanese, and vietnamese came over and work in the fields with the existing mostly AA women and made babies with them!

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I saw on a African American Lives (PBS) show that Oprah Winfrey does have some Asian ancestry.

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Cool it would be awesome to find out exactly where in her family tree and what country in Asia, there are sooo many ethnicities (China alone has over 50 ethnicities)!

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hi am new here. last few days i have been reading product reviews about skin lightening .
but know one thinks postive always thinking negative anyway just to let you know Fair and Lovely does work i've been using it for 14years and still using the cream and its the best fairness cream on market. use it for long time you will see great result plus it doesnt harm your skin at all. using this cream made me pale white . in summer my skin is pink in winter my face is chin red and nose in a way what am trying to say its the best cream on the market and it works. when i used it first time it took only weeks to see result dont forget dark skin will take time and if you are yellow skin use it u will see the result in no time .just dont use it for week and say or doesnt work and then move to another you need to have trust it will work. and the price is best they have beaten nur76. Fair and Lovely cream is the no 1 each tube cost you only £3. look at the diffrence nur 76 is £97 tube size are 30g each and Fair and Lovely tube 25g is £3 +pp so Fair and Lovely is best not just the price but the product aswell take my advise use Fair and Lovely see the result your skin will glow in dark and your skin will look so beautiful. hope this help and dont forget this does not have any harmfull bleach or etc

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Be careful Mikey!

F&L is reputed to have a trace mercury that can build up over time causes some sort of stain

De-brownification - Ultrabrown

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...Without having to deal with vitiligo patches or the like, of course.

I have never seen anyone at all other than Vitiligo victims and MJ who wore chalky makeup all over his body.

So is it really possible. I just looked at the Makari video and those people who use it and work there look extremely dark brown, not light by any means. The fair and flawless woman also looks dark.

Personally I consider a complexion a minimum of Aishwarya Rai, and lighter, "fair" or light. And she's not that fair at all, rather wheat-complected, no?

Wonder if she uses anything?? LOL

http://desi-galaxy.sabza.org/wp-cont...-beautiful.jpg

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She's gorgeous.. I do think that the lighter eye color jumps out more in the darker skins.

I'm sure A.R. does use some great products, aestheticians, & dermadocs. I think there's some overlap with great skin care (that celebs and newly wealthy often shift too) and perceived lightening.

On other boards I've read sooo much that this or that celeb is "bleaching" but I'm guessing in most cases they're getting improved exfoliation, nutrition, and sun protection.

I left home for uni and an old high school classmate asked if I'd done something. No, my school was a total wintry nightmare and I rarely saw the sun for months. My home area is pretty sunny year 'round so you can stay tan or sun damaged forever without care.

Now with the products and sunscreen vigilance, my husband is teasing me with MJ allusions but the reality is that it's only a kind of archaeological dig back to my natural color. The other plusses are more of a glow, less spots, an overall younger look (I'm oldish so this is starting to matter to me:cool:).

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I'm rambling but yes, I think that wheatish is considered pretty fair for most Afro-mix (depends on the family though) people.

One of my friends from Fiji was a bit darker than this girl
http://z.hubpages.com/u/1630570_f260.jpg

And she felt and called herself really dark. To African Americans I think it would be considered medium to lightish (unless your family is really colorist & hardcore light breeding)

Each brown culture seems to have it's own little quirks.

I never knew Oprah had asian ancestors. I knew about Naomi Campbell, she has Jamaican and some Japanese roots. The same for Tyson Beckford he has Chinese, Jamaican, and Panamanian. I still consider them as black, but you can see it in the eyes the way they are shaped.

LOL Golden sis & Brown! :p

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She's gorgeous.. I do think that the lighter eye color jumps out more in the darker skins.

I'm sure A.R. does use some great products, aestheticians, & dermadocs. I think there's some overlap with great skin care (that celebs and newly wealthy often shift too) and perceived lightening.

On other boards I've read sooo much that this or that celeb is "bleaching" but I'm guessing in most cases they're getting improved exfoliation, nutrition, and sun protection.

I left home for uni and an old high school classmate asked if i'd done something. No, my school was a total wintery nightmare and i rarely saw the sun for months. My home area is pretty sunny year 'round so you can stay tan or sun damaged forever without care.

Now with the products and sunscreen vigilance, my husband is teasing me with MJ allusions but the reality is that it's only a kind of archaeological dig back to my natural color. The other plusses are more of a glow, less spots, an overall younger look (I'm oldish so this is starting to matter to me:cool:).

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I'm rambling but yes, I think that wheatish is considered pretty fair for most Afro-mix (depends on the family though) people.

One of my friends from Fiji was a bit darker than this girl
http://z.hubpages.com/u/1630570_f260.jpg

and she felt and called herself really dark. To African Americans i think it would be considered medium to lightish (unless your family is really colorist & hardcore light breeding)

Each brown culture seems to have it's own little quirks.

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^ Interesting, your comment about Fiji friend reminded me of Tiger Woods, who doesn't self-identify as being 'black':

Tiger Woods said he wasn't actually "black" at all -- he was "Cablinasian."

Woods made his remarks on "Oprah," when he was asked if it bothered him to be called an African-American. "It does," he said. "Growing up, I came up with this name: I'm a 'Cablinasian.'" As in Caucasian-black-Indian-Asian. Woods has a black father (or to be precise, if I am interpreting Woods' reported ancestry correctly, a half-black, one-quarter American Indian, one-quarter white father) and a Thai mother (or, with the same caveat, a half-Thai, half-Chinese mother).

http://www.intotherough.co.uk/assets...rdegren_&_.jpg


And Tiger Woods, in turn, reminds me of Pres. OBAMA, who does identifies as "black", but happens to be lighter than Tiger (in comparison)

"Mr. Obama is 50% Caucasian, that from his mother. "America's first African-American president"'s father is ethnically Arabic, with only 1 relative ethnically African Negro - a maternal great-grandparent (Sen. Obama's great-great grandparent, thus the 6.25% ethnic contribution to the senator's ethnic composition.).

That means that Mr. Obama is 50% Caucasian from his mother's side. He is 43.75% Arab, and 6.25% African Negro from his father's side."

http://atlasshrugs2000.typepad.com/a...ama_family.jpg

notice Obama is strikingly lighter than all the rest in his family! :eek:

Well he's half white. What the hell did you expect?