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Originally Posted by galfijej

Some information from the Tonique website is EXACTLY the same as from the Fair and Flawless (F&F) website. Here are some examples:

EXAMPLE #2: Ingredient lists for Facial Lightening Cream

Ingredients of Tonique 10x Intense Skin Whitening Cream:
Source: Tonique Skin Care-All Natural Skin Whitening Products

Purified Sea Water, Aloe vera gel, hops extract,rosemary leaves extract, sage leaves extract, ginseng extract, sea ware, lemon extract, hazelnut oil, oilgopeptide, palmitoyl tetrapeptide-7, squalene,lactic acid, Sepi-white msh, citric acid, vitamins A and E, alpha arbutin, metabisulfate, natural fragrance

Ingredients of F&F Facial Lightening Cream:
Source: Facial Lightening Cream

Purified Sea Water, Aloe vera gel, hops extract,rosemary leaves extract, sage leaves extract, ginseng extract, sea ware, lemon extract, hazelnut oil, oilgopeptide, palmitoyl tetrapeptide-7, squalene,lactic acid, Sepi-white msh, citric acid, vitamins A and E, alpha arbutin, metabisulfate, natural fragrance. /FONT>

EXAMPLE #3: Ingredients for Skin Lightening Lotion

Ingredients of Tonique Green Tea Moisturizing Whitening Lotion (Price: $59.95)
Source: Tonique Skin Care-All Natural Skin Whitening Products

Purified seawater, aloe vera leaf juice, green tea extract, symphytum leaf extract, citric grandis seed extract, sepiwhite MSH, Vitamin A and E, lactic acid, glycolic acid, methylparaben, propylparaben, mulberry extract, shea butter, rosehip extract, citric acid, natural fragrance

Ingredients of Skin Soho™ "LIQUID LASER" Colada White Hand & Body Milk (Price:$79.95)
Source: Skin Lightening Lotion | Hand and Body

Purified seawater, aloe vera leaf juice, anthemis nobilis flower extract, symphytum leaf extract, citric grandis seed extract, undecylenoyl phenylalinne (SEPIWHITE MSH), Vitamin A, E, lactic acid, glycolic acid, methylparaben, propylparaben, mulberry extract, shea butter, rosehip extract, citric acid fragrance

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Hello Galfije,

I tried to private message you but I guess you have that feature turned off.

I wanted to know where did you see the information for the Tonique 10x Intense Skin Whitening Cream ingredients? They don't look the same compared to the Fair and Flawless ingredients anymore:confused:

The Tonique Green Tea Moisturizing Whitening Lotion does not have any ingredients list next to the product description and I see the price has gone up from $59.95 to $79.95 which is the same price as the Fair and Flawless lightening lotion.

I just want to say THANK YOU for this most amazing product. It is not only an effective skin lightener but also an amazing supplement that has made my skin amazingly smooth and silky soft.

I have just placed another order and will continue to support your company. You have got a winning product and wonderful staff. You have made me a firm believer in your product and your excellent service. I will continue using it for as long as it stays on the market – and I hope that will be forever!

Shanti

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Originally Posted by shantifive

I just want to say THANK YOU for this most amazing product. It is not only an effective skin lightener but also an amazing supplement that has made my skin amazingly smooth and silky soft.

I have just placed another order and will continue to support your company. You have got a winning product and wonderful staff. You have made me a firm believer in your product and your excellent service. I will continue using it for as long as it stays on the market – and I hope that will be forever!
Shanti

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Hello Shanti and welcome to askmehelpdesk! :)
Which product do you speak of?

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Originally Posted by Indian Princess

ok - after a thorough research on this Tonique product, I found the following information.
1. Tonique seem very scary and scammy to me. Take a look at the before and after page of the site All Natural Skin Whitening Pic's
2.All the pages on the entire site can be traced to back several different websites.
3. Tonique website whois is registered to a
Simone Drummond
4815 Bayonne Ave
Apt CN
Baltimore MD 21206.
4. No company information, no product sizes etc.
5. The toll free number is forwarded to a sprint pcs cell phone number 443.768.5024
6. The before and after photos are stolen from the following websites:
a. Pallid Skin Whitening Formula - Ultimate Complexion lightening tablets
b.Magic Potions | Skin Whitening Experts | Skin Lightening Products
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7. All the product reviews were written on the same date.
8. Most of post/blogs on the products are posted by a "MARSHA" yet when I contacted the toll free number a "MARSHA" spoke to me. My personal opinion = STAY AWAY.
Buyer beware there are so many RED flags that SCREAMS SCAMMMMMMMMMMMMMM.

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Here is a post of mine from a blog mentioning Tonique Skin Lightening:

RENEE: I find it hard to believe that you used Fair and Flawless then used Tonique with no problems since they are pretty much the same product with many of the same ingredients. There are even two Tonique products who names are similar to that of a Fair and Flawless product. If you take a close look around you'll notice the Tonique site is even modeled after the Fair and Flawless website. It's no coincidence that whenever Tonique is mentioned so is Fair and Flawless.

In conclusion I think Tonique is either a competitor who has seen the success of Fair and Flawless and wants to "one up" them by advertising their cream/gel as 10x stronger or they are a company/person who is private labeling Fair and Flawless, nothnig wrong with wanting to start your own business.

I actually applaud the person who put the site together, they did a great job in my opinion. It is hosted on Volusion which is a very professional site hosting company (not saying scammers don't host sites with high ranking companies and make the site look good).

I remember when Fair and Flawless first came out in 2004/2005:confused:
There was a customer who was so impressed with their products she decided to start selling it herself, I think she named it NuSkin, I forgot...

My point is this, there are some who want to start their own business by selling whatever merchandise they choose and who are so gung ho they sort of jump the gun and not take their time. Using before and after photo's, copying and pasting paragraphs from other sites and making up testimonials because you could not wait for real ones to come in is where others are going to start to look at your site/company as a scam.

I think that is what got W.O.E. (worldofentertainment) and their skin creams into trouble with skin lightening board members. There are members like myself who have been playing this skin lightening game for a loooooooong time. We have seen and heard it all. I don't know how many skin lightening websites I've been to, but when someone post a pic in the back of my mind I'm thinking "I know I've seen that picture before!!!" It doesn't take too long to find it either. Lol

If a product works the way it is advertised to do it there would be no need for the fake testimonials and photo's. Now I don't know if Tonique had those kinds of photos because all of findings Indian Princess and Galfije posted are no longer there:confused: Perhaps there is someone who may have something to do with the site edited it somehow. Not sure about those testimonials, don't know why they all have the same date, never seen that before.

Mmmmm

What is the point to all this nonsense

It sounds like Tonique is pretty controversial. LOL!! Anyhow, I can say I have tried a lot of things and this is one of the best that I have tried so far. I have been using it for 3 months and haven't had any problems. I don't know anything about the stuff you guys are talking about but, I can tell you it works! I have spent a lot of money on creams and gels to make my skin look better and I like this product so I am going to keep on using it until I find something better. I don't want to upset anyone here you guys seem extremely passionate about your lightening products. LOLLLL!

I don't understand this thread anymore

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Originally Posted by whiteandlight

It sounds like Tonique is pretty controversial. LOL!!! Anyhow, I can say I have tried a lot of things and this is one of the best that I have tried so far. I have been using it for 3 months and haven't had any problems. I don't know anything about the stuff you guys are talking about but, I can tell you it works!! I have spent a lot of money on creams and gels to make my skin look better and I like this product so I am going to keep on using it until I find something better. I don't want to upset anyone here you guys seem extremely passionate about your lightening products. LOLLLL!!

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Not really...
Depends on how you want to look at.
But if this cream works for you then congrats on your new skin tone.:)

I am a little curious about the cream myself and may give it a try.
I have e-mailed them and so far no answer to my second question.
If they cannot answer e-mail questions from potential customers I will not
Purchase.

Have u tried mono or benzarbutin?
It will work...

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Originally Posted by mepk5

have u tried mono or benzarbutin?
it will work.......

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I hear both mono and benzarbutin can make you spotty and uneven. There is a whole thread based on bad experiences with mono. Why in the world would anyone want to try this?? :confused:

People do all the time. Myself included. Everyone story is different...

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Originally Posted by mepk5

people do all the time. myself included. everyone story is different.....

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I would hope that not everyone turns out looking like a leopard but, I am trying to figure out why anyone would take the chance? Different strokes for different folks I guess.

Exactly that's why you are here right? You are doing research correct? But in the end you will want to beta the odds of bad things happening. It may not happen to u & it might happen. We all have run that risk of ruining are skin. It's a gamble

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Originally Posted by mepk5

have u tried mono or benzarbutin?
it will work.......

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Is Mono and Benzarbutin considered natural products:confused:








AbbyCute
WhiteandLight
Shantifive
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Just to let you all know abbycute and whiteandlight were the same person ( used the same IP address)

So take anythig they say ( well with a grain of salt) since they felt the need to pretend to be different people.

Have any of you used clear essence lemon plus ? With good results?
It has no HQ or harmful ingredients

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Originally Posted by Fr_Chuck

Just to let you all know abbycute and whiteandlight were the same person ( used the same IP address)
So take anythig they say ( well with a grain of salt) since they felt the need to pretend to be different people.

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THANK YOU FATHER!! :)

I knew it!
The minute she was accused of being a seller she pretty much baled out of this thread fast.(page 4 post#31 and #33). I pm'd her and she would never answer any of my questions. You'd think someone who used the product would want to help someone else out right? I mean this is askmehelpdesk.

Page 3 post #28
galfijej posted about the look a like site with customer service information
Ingredient lists for the Facial Lightening Cream and Whitening Lotion having
The same information.

She comes back as WhiteandLight page 4 post #38 posting of bio claire, (see
You have to throw people off by talking about another product, you just can't
Go straight into the product your trying to sell), which she did at the very
Next post (post #39) guess she couldn't wait.

Page 7 post #63 Indian Princess post new information about the Tonique
Website. The before and after photos taken from another site, product reviews written by the same person and all having the same date.

Page 7 AbbyCute comes back. Now this is when I had a feeling AbbyCute and
WhiteandLight were the same person. (they both joined April 2009). Post #67 when WhitheandLight agrees with AbbyCute about Tonique.
That post was so obvious to me and apparently to ladydanielle (page 8 post #77) who is no doubt a member of the brighter skin forum, they always use
The word scammy.

Now in the mean time in between time the site information is being edited
With chucks of information being removed in direct response to what is
being said in this thread. Coincidence? I think not! Before and after pics are gone, ingredient list gone from the lotion, and the cream list of ingredients has been edited, phone number gone, customer service info missing paragraphs, lot's of white space on the site now.

Attempts at improvements are being made though. The phone number is back and they now have added sizes to the product description again these
Are in direct response to what was being posted in this thread.

Still no answer from AbbyCute in pm and no answer from Tonquie to my second question I asked 6 days ago. WhiteandLight and I were chattnig in pm. Now WhiteandLight and AbbyCute no longer except private messages and Shantifive came in not excepting private messages.

I still think Shantifive is also another id. Notice only one post praising a product and posting her continuous support "to your company".
Who's company is she talking about? Don't know because as you can see
(page 13 post#122 #123 ) she did not answer my question to which product she was referring to.

Oh well... it's all over and done with for this vendor in this forum.
I know for a FACT this company has nothing to do with Fair and Flawless.
I suggest being more honest when trying to sell your wares.

Wow!! Girl u sure called them out.
What a freaking wreakeage.

Hey, I couldn't do it without you!! ;)
You and galfijej called them out first.
Both of you caught on way before I did.

Apologizes to Weezing.
This thread was not intended to out a vendor but to
Talk about natural skin lighteners.