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And guys please!
Anyone with colored contacts look radically different.
The fact that he lightened is being HIGHLIGHTED ONLY because he is constantly wearing lenses.
That makes him look like a totally new person. If he removes those lenses and stays black in the eye. He will look plain lighter. Not as significant as he is looking right now .
I think that last picture is a joke, I don’t think he is that colour lol. I doubt that he used mono, the picture in the first post is his complexion and that not depiged look, he is uneven.Quote:
Originally Posted by Violaename
Oh my my my...Quote:
Originally Posted by sara_uk
Thank you for that correction.
I was losing my breath!
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Originally Posted by Violaename
I know a lot of people have this understanding that all mono users will look gray white lol. Trust me it is not true, I have seen so many depiged people none of them look gray! The thing is a lot who decide to use mono don't like to post pictures and I don't blame them too much drama. I have very nice red undertone, and once there is an update I will share my before and after pictures with you that is a promise ;)
Thanks sara_uk.Quote:
Originally Posted by sara_uk
Will be waiting to live the experience en direct!
Sammy sosa... My hero hahaha!Quote:
Originally Posted by sweetcaroline
Incredible
Why do you say the Mequinol and gold pharama is crap? Have you used it? How did it work for you?Quote:
Originally Posted by imgorgeous
@ partygod - Im sceptical of Gold pharma because everyone who is using mequinol from there is seeing lightening in a matter of two weeks and three weeks.
Mequinol has never been documented to create lightening so soon .
Its almost as if something extra is added to catalyse the lightening process. And you would have to wonder what.
I COULD BE WRONG THOUGH!
Well imgorgeous... your scepticism speaks well for your Sensibility. But you have to take into consideration the percentage of Mequinol present in the creams at goldpharma. 10% and 20% of any lightening agent is a lot!! I used fair and flawless with 5% sepiwhite and I saw lightening in a week!Quote:
Originally Posted by imgorgeous
Also Mequinol is a depigmenting agent! It should come as no surprise when one sees intense lightening in a short period. I don't think the creams at goldpharma are adulterated or in any way tampered with.
I've spoken with many... and done a quite a bit of reaserch where Mequinol is concerned, and from what I gather its an excellent skin lightener.
@ Partygod - I see the logic in your statements, But I beg to differ.
Mequinol is a depigmenting agent, but a relatively weaker one. It does come as a surprise because you speak of 10 per cent . But I have friends using 25 per cent Mequinol and someone known to me in PERSON is using 20 per cent home concocted mequinol, and it has not done anything to lighten him yet!
As for fair and flawless, it is NO HIDDEN SECRET that these products are MORE than just sepiwhite. They may contain sepiwhite but the reason that people tend to see lightening in a WEEK with such products like Bio Claire, Fair and Flawless, and Tonique is only because they are laden and full of steroidal based products.
It is a fact, and these are usually seen high on the list of STAY away from lightening products.
Obviously, if you use steroids you are BOUND to see lightening soon . Forget a week. I wouldn't be surprised if you saw a change in a night.
Mequinol cannot and will not depig in a week. When people struggle with a much stronger depigmentor like Monobenzone for weeks and months to see changes, its not logical to think that Mequinol can do it in a week .
It possibly can smoothen and lighten scars etc. and even remove melasma in a week or two but you will never see lightening in that much time.
Whatever Sammy Sosa did. His current complexion looks disgusting, He looks gray.. it's unnatural.
What Sammy Sosa did - a high chance of having used mercury , because grey usually comes from mercuric lighteners, His current complexion in ALL HONESTY looks a lot better than he started at.
He may look gray, but he still looks a lot better. He was quite unattractive in the face earlier. And that's my honest opinion.
WOW! Fair and flawless stuff contains STEROIDS!! :eek::eek::eek::eek::eek::eek: I Don't EVEN KNOW WHAT TO SAY! Do you really think so?? But Mequinol doesn't depigment in a week! It lightens in a week there's a difference... well I've started compounding my own creams because for sure I can't afford fair and flawless! $500 for a four ounce jar... nooo. Well that would explain the breakouts with fair and flawless... hmmmmQuote:
Originally Posted by imgorgeous
But imgorgeous... Mequinol... Pure Mequinol can make you really pale over a peirod of time can it not??
Agree Mequinol is much weaker depigementing agent than mono, if people using monobenzone can't see anything in a week how do Mequinol show that in a week?Quote:
Originally Posted by imgorgeous
I don't doubt the posters who may be seen some lightening , I just don't get how it can work so fast. So many people are jumping on the Mequinol wagon if they want to depigment then they can try but for lightening purpose there are just not enough information about it. There are few studies about Solagé for the treatment of solar lentigines which mainly 2-4% and even in these studies Mequinol produced hypopigmentation.
Mequinol also known to work as mono producing confetti like patches, it is not seen as fast as it is weaker depigementing agent. Even it is depigemnting ability is not tested very much a part from one study at 20%which has been used successfully to depigment people with vitiligo universalis Onset of depigmentation was between 4 and 12 months.
Lol how is he better? The weird contact lenses or the uneven skin colour ? He looked much better before in my opinion.Quote:
Originally Posted by imgorgeous
@ sara - I think he looks better now... grrrrrrrrr... my opinion is strictly mine.
I think he looked quite demonic earlier. He may look so to some even now, but I think he is more attractive with his lighter complexion. However, his dirty lenses can take a break!
I know about a handful of people who have been using MQ for months and they have not received patches like MONO... I am ordering my MQ powder soon to make my own cream I will be sure to let you all know if I start patching up!Quote:
Originally Posted by sara_uk
Also I HAVE SOMETHING TO SAY... FAIR AND FLAWLESS DOES NOT CONTAIN STEROIDS! That's A DISPROVEN RUMOR! ITS BEEN TESTED BY AN INDIVIDUAL MEMBER ON ANOTHER FORM WHO CONFIRMED THAT FAIR AND FLAWLESS HAD EVERYTHING AND ONLY EVERYTHING ON THE INGREDIENTS LIST!
And I don't think the stuff at goldpharma does either! I can't wait until I get me MQ so I can make my cream and start seeing results you guys can't just go around making assumptions and tarnishing the reptuations of perfectly legitimate companies... everyone's skin is different... some people see results very soon... for others it takes longer and some people see nothing...
If you guys don't believe me just buy the product and have it sent to a chemistry lab for testing... its not that expensive.. some of them will even do it for free depending... they're only looking for one thing it won't take very long to prove that there're steroids in the creams if there REALLY ARE STEROIDS IN THOSE CREAMS... AND THERE ARE NOT!
And PS: I LOVE SAMMY SOSA'S COLOR NOW HE LOOKS WAY BETTER HANDS DOWN!
Well that makes sense... my friend who is using MQ told me you do take about a year to become really really pale! In about 6 months you see a significat difference! For some reason MQ works better with Retin AQuote:
Originally Posted by sara_uk
You know Sara I haven't seen people on the board saying they saw lightening in a week.Quote:
Agree Mequinol is much weaker depigementing agent than mono, if people using monobenzone can't see anything in a week how do Mequinol show that in a week?
I don't doubt the posters who may be seen some lightening , I just don't get how it can work so fast. So many people are jumping on the Mequinol wagon if they want to depigment then they can try but for lightening purpose there are just not enough information about it.
I believe that in the first stage the lightening I saw on my lips came in like 2 weeks and the skin on the lips(like 1shade) isn't the same as the rest of the face.
And on my face I didn't even lightened 1 shade after like 3.5 weeks.It isn't instant lightening like bio claire(lol) but I can say it is working cause is really see my undertones getting lighter so I know that when I will continue the peeling process(retin a) it will reveal lighter skin.
I'm not in a hurry anymore cause I really believe that this stuff works but very slowly which is fine cause I'm willing to wait.
However I'm still a newbie in this mequinol wagon so I don't advice people to use it until I'm sure about the result.
Oh don't pay attention to what imgorgeous says about certain products!Quote:
Originally Posted by partygod
Everyone knows F&F is safe, the other brand questionable and Bio Claire has always been on our "do not use list".
Common sense should tell you stick to posting your own experiences with products and don't make any nonfactual claims you can't prove. If you're unsure about something, contact the company to see if they can provide you with factual information.
Remember this is coming from the same guy who freaked out over maybe getting arrested over his package getting stuck at the post office, some mysterious powered substance he purchased from China:p
Who knows what the heck he got himself into!
I have not used MQ... but I'm buying some this week...
I think somepeople claim lightening in one week because they confuse just brightening or any imporvement for lightening... also with any peeling agent the first couple of layers that come off reveal a much newer and brighter skin than before. Sometimes even up tp 2 sahdes different.. and for a few days the look is very fresh and dramatic... I'll admit that when I first used HQ4 and RA I saw a baeutiful new skin underenath very quick;ly and was even worried about becoming too light too fast... well now I think it all balanced out and now I feel like it really didn't do too much... but I can swear and even certain photos really did reveal a very different pinky skin that isn't there anymore very quickly...
And of course it cures baldness, improves your grade point average and makes you taller.
And of course it has to be legal to buy and sell ?
First of all I didn't say anything about FAIR AND FLAWLESS, I don't know why you quoting me, I never used their stuff and don't know anything about them.Quote:
Originally Posted by partygod
Secondly, regarding goldpharma nobody is trashing anyone we are just wondering how their stuff work so fast lol.
Thirdly, I will not test their products as I have no interest in doing so, my only warning about MQ in high strength will produce patches in the long run that is a fact, it is much much slower so it will not be seen very fast. If people understand the risks by all means they can try it.
Finally Sammy complexion I don't like it in MY OPINION, you like it? Good for you. ;)
Did you apply to your lip? Didn’t sting? Or was it systematic? My lips also got lighter very fast, I didn’t apply there but around the lip.Quote:
Originally Posted by mistyjane
I wish you all the best mistyjane.
I am not sure if you will be pale in a year with MQ, remember this study was done for vitiligo universalis, so their immune system is helping that process, that why I say that not much known about MQ. At least monobenzone was tested on people without vitiligo it is very strong drug that why it works, and people report patches after 2 month use.Quote:
Originally Posted by partygod
Retin A can aid depigmentation with monobenzone, it was tested on black guinea pig skin, and showed results in just 10 days, so I am sure with MQ it will work wonders too.
Retinoic acid synergistically enhances the melanoc... [Exp Dermatol. 2006] - PubMed result
Yes I apply to my lips and no it didn't sting.Quote:
Originally Posted by sara_uk
But what is great is that my lips never lightened fast before.
I also wish you the best MISS uk :)
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Originally Posted by sara_uk
I quoted you for MQ... but about fair and flawless I was addressing imgorgeous... sorry about that!
Who on earth told you MQ will produce patches in high strength... that is very false information! PEOPLE WHO Don't HAVE VITILIGO USE 10% AND 20% AND 25%... I know people who have been using this stuff for almost 4 years! They've gotten VERRY VERYY PALE and no they never got spots like mono...
You're just making asspumtions! I know people who work at pharmaceutical companies and people who are studying to be pharmacists and they all vouch for Mequinol... mequinol is NOT LIKE MONO! Mono lives spots in dark skinned heavily pigmented individuals... which are typically darkskinned blacks, latinos, Indians and Asians! People who are already light skinned can use mono and expect very little unsightly and disfiguring effects however for darker skinned individuals mono does not work properly!
Mequinol's make up is different. UNLIKE HQ And MONO IT DOES NOT DESTROY THE PIGMENT(Tyrosinase) BUT BINDS IT! That's why tanning is still possible!
I'm unsure whether skin depigmenting can be permanent over a prolonged period of use or not. But one thing I can say is MQ is NOT LIKE MONO... get your facts right and stop misinforming people!
I ordered my tubes of MQ from goldpharma and I can't WAIT!
NOTE: ANY LIGHTENING AGENT YOU'RE USING WORKS WAAAAAAAAY BETTER WHEN USED WITH RETIN A (tretinoin).
Wow!
Lmao!!Quote:
Originally Posted by nikkicute
Studies told me that. It works like mono at slower rate, in the link below page 402 it talks about the confetti like hypopigmentation similar to the one produced by mono.Quote:
Originally Posted by partygod
Textbook of cosmetic dermatology - Google Books
Show me one study that says it is safe to use in high percent , not hear say please.
Lol you know people who work in pharmaceutical company? I work in one, and please scientist don't know much about it anyway as there is no clinical study for it been used in higher strength for over all lightening. I doubt your friends will know more.Quote:
Originally Posted by partygod
Lets not turn it mono against MQ, I am not here to prove that mono does work, at least there is much more known about it, and yes it has been studied on people without vitiligo on black skin. Every body researched mono well, will know you will get patchy, no matter what strength and were you apply it.Quote:
Originally Posted by partygod
''Mequinol (hydroquinone monomethyl ether, 4-hydroxyanisole, para-hydroxymethoxybenzene), another derivative of hydroquinone, is enzymatically oxidized by tyrosinase to produce melanocytotoxic quinones. The formation of quinones results in pigment cell destruction and skin depigmentation.''Quote:
Originally Posted by partygod
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/arti...s-10-04066.pdf
Can you please just provide me one link to a study that says it is not like mono? The action of MQ is not fully understood. It has been approved for the treatment of solar lentigines at much lower strength than what you are advising people is safe to use. Even on those 2% use, Hypopigmentation was observedQuote:
Originally Posted by partygod
Safety and efficacy of combined use of 4-hydroxyan... [Cutis. 2004] - PubMed result
Good for you ;)Quote:
Originally Posted by partygod
Yeah Retin a is great ;)Quote:
Originally Posted by partygod
@ partygod - are you on coke? Is the fair and flawless person your friend ?
There is NO PRODUCT in this world which is unproven and still can lighten your skin unless it contains steroids.
Even Fruit juices, when the bottles say NO PRESERVATIVES, it doesn't mean there is no preservatives at all!
There actually are ! Because fruit juice will get spoiled quickly if there is no preservative.
Similarly, most lightening products , have mercury or steroids to lighten your skin. If you actually believe that Fair and flawless only has the listed ingredients you are DREAMING !
NO... I Believe that fair and flawless contains other ingredients that are not posted on the ingredient list... for sure they do have ingredients that they are not telling people about... because some of my friends tried making a cream of their own by using the stuff at "makingcosmetics.com" they used all the lightening agents fair and flawless posted in their ingredents list and they did not get the same results that the fair and flawless cream gave... NOT EVEN CLOSE...Quote:
Originally Posted by imgorgeous
BUT AT THE SAME TIME ITS SOMETHING ELSE BUT NOT STEROIDS!! A FRIEND OF MINE HAD THE CREAM TESTED!! THE RESULTS PROVED NEGATIVE FOR STEROIDS! AND NEGATIVE FOR MERCURY! SO MAYBE THEY HAVE A BIT OF MQ OR HQ IN THERE OR Something... BUT NOT STEROIDS!
And I can't wait to prove that MQ is a good skin lightener! I know people who know people who have been using it for 4 years and they are fine! Also there are NO REPORTS OF SPOTTING OR ANY TYPE OF SKIN DISFIGURATION CAUSED BY MEQUINOL!
I liken it to cooking!Quote:
Originally Posted by partygod
You can hand an amateur cook ingredients to make a cake and hand those same ingredients to a Master Chef and well... you get the picture!
Yeah I know who your "friends" are and they in fact did not purchase every ingredient listed on the jar because makingcosmetics does not have every ingredient listed to make an F&F product.
And even if you could purchase all of the ingredients, you would have to know the precise percentage of each ingredient in order for it to come out right, just like a cake:D
So I am going to have to disagree with you on there being hidden ingredients based on the fact that your friends were not able to duplicate it.
There is a BIG difference between a home mixer and a professional formulator, if there wasn't I'd have made Gallons of the 5xf gel, Gallons! Lol
Um I don't understand you mean by "i know who your "friends" are." nikkicute... but I'm going to tell you this... I know fair and flawless does not contain steroids... but there is something else in their products that they are not listing on their ingredients LIST!! If sepiwhite, kojic acid, and alpha abutin work so well together to lighten the skin then a duplicate however "amateur" it may be is suppose to do the same thing!Quote:
Originally Posted by nikkicute
And I don't even know why Fair and flawless sells their products at such a high price when these creams are not that expensive to make! Its ridiculous!
Formulating a cream using the chemicals from makingcosmetics.com is not that hard. They explain everything and list the steps and directions very well! They sell all the necessary equipment needed to carry out the birth of one's home made cream! You as an individual even have the option of adding more or HIGHER PERCENTAGES OF THE SKIN LIGHTENING INGREDIENTS AND THERE FOR INCREASING YOUR SKIN LIGHTENING ABILITIES!
WHAT THE HELL ARE YOU TALKING ABOUT!
The chemicals at makingcosmetics.com are very legit! They sell every thing from the Emollients to preserve your cream, to the Liposomes to ensure penetration and the exfoliants!
YOU'RE NOT GOING TO GET ME TO SWALLOW THIS HORSE RADISH! THERE IS NO REASON WHY SOMEONE CANNOT DUPLICATE THE CREAMS AT FAIR AND FLAWLESS AND COME OUT WITH THE SAME RESULTS!
UNLESS!! LIKE I SAID EARLIER!! THAT FAIR AND FLAWLESS ARE USING INGREDIENTS THAT THEY ARE NOT LISTING IN THEIR INGREDIENTS GROUP!
I AM NOT SUGGESTING STEROIDS! BUT THEY ARE USING OTHER INGREDIENTS!!
PLEASE!!
Another thing... sepiwhite is not 20times stronger than HQ... and it cannot give the effects that I'm seeing with F&F... Fair and flawless is good company... their products are good and they work! BUT I WOULD BET MY LIFE THAT THE INGREDIENTS LISTED IN THEIR INGREDIENTS GROUP ARE NOT ALL THE INGREDENTS IN THEIR PRODUCTS!
No need to swear! Let's calm down now.:)Quote:
Originally Posted by partygod
I see the seed that imgorgeous has planted in your head has fully bloomed.
First things first, there is nothing in my post that stated makingcosmetics ingredients were in any way not legit, I'm sure their ingredients are just fine.
And you don't have to tell me twice about the products NOT containing steroids, no way!
What I am simply disagreeing with you about there being hidden ingredients in F&F products. I find them to be a very honest company with all ingredients listed along with patent numbers. I just think people are not used to a good quality product.
For instance with the 5xf gel, they have managed to combine exfoliating ingredients along with lightening ingredients and that for me is the reason I think it worked a lot quicker than other lightening products I have used in the past! Along with sepi-white, which is a rather new lightening ingredient in it's self. Exfoliating is the key to faster lightening!
As far as duplicating their products at home I simply don't think it can be done! Not exactly anyway and the home cream will certainly not be up to the high standard of the Flawless cream. You think there is no reason why someone can and my cake analogy is a good example of why someone can't along with the fact that you don't have precise percentage of each ingredient to make a good cream that actually works.
There is another brand who tried to duplicate the Flawless creams and gels and they do have some of the same ingredients but it simply does not work!
But hey, good luck to you if you want to try and give it a go!
Oh by the way which one of their creams are you trying to make for your skin lightening?
I don't understand why imgorgeous's seed is blooming in my head when I disagree with imgorgeous completely!Quote:
Originally Posted by nikkicute
The other brand which tried to duplicate the fair and flawless cream failed for a reason! They didn't have the unlisted INGREDIENT(S)!
Everything... Every ingredient which serves a legitimate purpose in the fair and flawless cream is available at making cosmetics! Some of the perservatives may be different! The coloring maybe altered due to the different chemicals(which serve the same purpose as other chemicals). But the results should be ALMOST PARALLEL!
The equipment at making cosmetics IS AVILALBLE FOR ONE TO HAVE THE "precise percentage of each ingredient to make a good cream that actually works." even if it's a little off balance it's said on makingcosmetics the individual should only experince some irritation or rash!
There is a mystery ingredent in the F&F line... again this may not necessarily be a bad thing... but I am very sure that we as consumers do not know everything that is going into those CREAMS!
I have always wanted to try F&F but constantly receive mixed reviews.
partygod, so what ingredients are you using?:)
No, he's the one who started this hidden ingredient nonsense!Quote:
Originally Posted by partygod
I told you not to pay attention to the dude with his own hidden ingredient stuck at the post office:p
He actually thinks a product that lightens the skin HAS to contain steroids in order to work!:eek: And the guy has no experience using F&F or any good quality product as far as I know, so why let that seed of "hidden ingredient" take hold of you? So you didn't disagree with imgorgeous completely.
You said the products didn't contain steroids he turned around and asked you if you were on coke? Lol... weird!! You think someone with that kind of thinking is ever going to reach their goal of a lighter complexion? I told him to be careful because he could damage his skin with what he is using.
There is no mystery ingredient, the ingredients listed on the jar are good enough.
PartyGod -
Firstly there are currently no ingredients which fair and flawless lists which are effective lighteners.
Secondly, there are lots of steroids that are constantly in the making that take time to be identified. What do you think athletes use? They tend to get onto steroids that are not identified. Then things catch up and they get identified. Continuously various forms of steroids are created that CAN GO UNDETECTED.
Now there are not many ingredients that cause significant lightening apart from proven ones. If there were they would be all over the net.
Secondly, Kindly stop this I KNOW A FRIEND WHO KNOWS FRIENDS who use MEQUINOL for four years.
The question is do YOU know this person who uses Mequinol for FOUR years and has not patched up?
If you HONESTLY do, then I will believe you. Do not just state some crap just to make your POINT believable.
For your kindest information I have been using Mequinol for the last few weeks and I have already started seeing WHITE SPOTS on my neck. So Please ! Don't make claims if YOU or someone YOU PERSONALLY KNOW is not using it!
This HALF BAKED NEWS is truly annoying! You are instigating people to use Mequinol while you simply sit there and wait for what people have to say.
If you are SERIOUSLY as smart as you think you are, start using it immediately and let me know how pale you turn.
And besides IF YOU DO KNOW SO MUCH , why hassle people on this forum? Go use it and have fun.
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