I agree, hq and tret combo is much better than hq alone. How many shades were you able to lighten New Day?
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I agree, hq and tret combo is much better than hq alone. How many shades were you able to lighten New Day?
It seems like everyone is online tonight lol. Ok TRUE STORY MOMENT: I posted this in my intro post but I have to reiterate I have not been a bleacher as some of the alums on here, so when I initially used my Tri Luma combo of 4% HQ and 0.05% tretinoin, IT LITERALLY BURNED PIGMENT OFF MY SKIN, and my mom one day told me I was light skinned, my sister kept saying I was so light, but my skin was so uneven because around my mouth was lighter, below my eye, but just random patches, and I only used it for a few days and my skin was just peeling nonstop. I of course stopped and switched ot Bio Clair because the tri luma was too strong for me at the time. My doctor advised to rub a thin film on my acne spots only, but I got carried away and rubbed a healthy layer all over my face . So to answer your question, it took me down I would say about 2-3 shades in such a short period. I have a picture in my house somewhere if you give me a chance ot find it I'll send you a PM. The reason I am still looking for a good product is because tri-luma only comes in a 15 gram tube, and I need something FOR MY WHOLE BODY. So when Im ready to lighten my face, I know what to turn to, but for my whole body, that's a whole different story as my skin is so thick. Ughh.
Just random patches got light?? That's not good!
15G is TINY. No HQ for me I'm going with Arbutin+Tretinoin.
Thanks you
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Originally Posted by Golden_Boy
Yeh random patches because like I said I was new to this and probably wasn't paying attention to the application, and also I only used it for such a short time, but yeah with lightening not every square inch lightens at the same pace unfortunately. Thank God for makeup. Where do you get your arbutin Golden Boy and have you started seeing results?
Tri Luma sounds like some good stuff. There are some areas of the face that are thinner than other areas. This did happen with me using bio clair (which is no good) and also with the makari, it lightened my mouth and nose area quicker and my forehead and other areas slower. But, I continued and everything would ketch up after another week or 2 and skin became more even. To lighten the whole body with hq/tret? I wonder if you could squeeze the tube in with another larger container of lightening lotion, or try formulating your own hq or formulating a more natural lightening blend? That's my guess.
Hmmm... everyone does seem to be on tonight which is rare, so we are just chatting away. My goal was to be in bed by this time... lol oh well.
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Originally Posted by Itss A New Day
I want one simple cream I can apply head to toe daily that won't poison my organs so I spent like 100 bucks ordering 30 grams (1 oz) of arbutin, and 18 grams (2/3 oz) of alpha-arbutin from skinactives (I think they are very expensive! )
That 48 gm of combined arbutin will be dissolved in same amount of hot water, then mixed into 100 grams each of Makari + Emami naturally fair + Vicco turmeric + Tretinoin 0.1%
I think the resulting cream will be 10% Arbutin and 0.2% Tretinoin and be total of 500g which is like more than a pound of cream! So might last me 3 months used head to toe, guessing. I would not know if its working till between Thanksgiving and New Years. I don't even have the ingredients yet but they're on their way.
I'm so psyched to find this forum, I think I've been on ever since I registered! Lol! My husband is like <blank look> about this subject so he doesn't really get it.
He seems to think it's normal to be 50 million different colors at once.:D
Ur multicolors are you serious?
Yeah Its addictive and when I read something funny my boy friend who's often watching TV right diagonal to me, looks at me all weird asking what I'm laughing at this time!
:)
Lol... well let us know how it works. Personally I would not have mixed makari, as it lightens the body and face very well on it's own. Why not have purchased your active ingredients from a company that offers larger quantities for less? Which has manufacturer prices in larger sizes instead of consumer prices in much smaller sizes? Depending where you purchase, the quality would have still been great, but more for your dollar. Skin Actives is cool too, but they are best for making small quantities, not larger ones. Better off just purchasing the alpha-arbutin instead of also the arbutin, as alpha-arbutin is the more potent and synthetic version of regular arbutin.
Emami naturally fair and Vicco turmeric are new to me. If you do decide to use them, maybe pour it into a spray bottle to easily apply it all over the body without using excess amounts.
I can't find where to get Arbutin in larger cheaper supplier amounts.
Anyone have a source link?
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Originally Posted by Golden_Boy
Oohhhhh goodie, got it, my first private message ever!
I had heard of that site long ago but forgot all about it, would have never remembered so,
thanks to you sis!.
I will check them out and order from there too soon.
Omg its like you read my mind! I was literally just pondering this as I got out the shower. MY question GOlden Girl is that if I do this, will I still have the same concentration of each active ingredient per use? Like if I start diluting the cream with another base lotion, will it be as effective? IF so why don't more people do this with 1 0z. Tubes of great lightening creams?Quote:
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It's getting less obvious but yesssssssss... I've got at least 3 (maybe 4 with my eye circles ) going on. It's a scary thing.Quote:
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I tried to explain to him and he was like 'What's the big deal? LLook at me!' pointing out his skin... He is probably about 5 different colors now. LOL!
Silently I'm also thinking 'Yeh, but I'm supposed to be the cute one!'
He's just scared.. he thinks he married Kelly and is going to end up with Beyonce. Mwahaha!
http://conspiracygrimoire.com/wp-con...-music-400.jpg
I'm reassuring him that I'll be Michelle-like at most.
Eggo in your pictures honestly I couldn't even tell you were ever Kelly's complexion, you looked like you were naturally supposed to be Michelle's color. What is your natural color minus the melasma? Like the color were 99% of your life?
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I think that my natural color is very close to Michelle's or Sanaa Lathan's. In my younger childhood photos I was caramel-peanut butterish. I grew up in an almost year round sunny area and my family was very outdoorsy so my color changed so much depending on my exposure... how many trips to the lake etc.
So one year my class pics I would be nut brown another year I'd be more chocolatey.
Once I got "grown" and started laying out I just lost track! Lol. I was close to my natural color for a brief time in the 90s when I was going for spa treatments regularly and using their products. Then it was back to sun worship and general neglect.
Also when I went to college, I'd lose my extra color in those long northern winters. I wasn't using anything, no bleaching, no sunscreen. I was telling Golden Girl in another thread that one of my friends from home accused me of bleaching.
Later, I'd also get darker when I had the babies. It's a been a roller coaster.:D
Sorry if I'm threadjacking GoldenBoy!
So, is Arbutin safer than HQ? Is it more or less effective than HQ? (off to search and Google)
Heheh no your welcome anytime, I Leggo my eggo! :)
Yes, "is a naturally occurring plant derived compound .. In comparative in vitro studies of various compounds used to improve the appearance of disorders of hyperpigmentation, arbutin was found to be less toxic than hydroquinone. A dose-dependent reduction in tyrosinase activity, as well as melanin content in melanocytes, was also demonstrated."
Good point. As the overall percentage increases, the % of the active ingredients also decreases because they are being diluted. It still maybe effective to some extent, but I believe adding more than one tube to a larger concentration of lotion or crème would give better results. I'm no chemist but when formulating a lotion/creme the percentage is usually 100%, in some cases 50%. Water making up the highest percentage, % of active ingredients it all depends. Having around a 10-15% active ingredient would be quite effective, but this is all in theory to me as I have not tried this yet. But, am considering it as an option to lighten the whole body.Quote:
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Sounds like more math than I'm willing to tackle right now... and wouldn't you have to know the percentage of inactive ingredients? Or do you just figure it out by subtracting the percentage of actives from 100% and therefore getting the percentage of inactives? This would be a great idea if only I was a math whiz lol. My mind is spinning...
You know looking at this photo actually looks kind of funny and obvious... lol Notice how Beyonce is course the lightest one with bright blond hair, and very busty while the other 2 is well covered up like brides mades! Her necklace (the only one wearing one I might add), and her wedding-like gown being the prettiest. The photographer actually has her taking up more of the photo, as she is not standing in profile as the other 2. I think it's funny because they gave her a pushup bra and the other 2 something much more simple :oQuote:
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LOL yeah it looks like an overhead ceiling light fixture is beaming down on her! Geez I mean could you be any more obvious. When I was in middle/high school Destiny's Child had just emerged, and my friends and I would always notice that Beyonce got the better outfits out of the group, and it didn't help that her mom was the designer for the group lol.
I agree GG & IAND.. In retrospect, Destiny's Child seemed like a total launch pad-showcase for Beyonce. Very Diana Ross and the Supremes.
LMAO @ the photo, yes.. it's quite "Beyonce and 'dem." She could've been positioned differently, maybe more like Kelly to balance the poses but oh well... We know what that was about now.
So true. When Destiny's Child was out I always loved her outfits and hairstyles, coming to find out it was a setup from her fashion desiger mom. I would like to reach her shade. But, I still feel for the previous members LaTavia and Latoya. I think I would have bounced too due to the unfairness and like Eggo mentioned "the launch pad-showcase for Beyonce", when all of them are so talented.
Well, it's not being made from scratch, so all of the inactive ingredients is your base. Your using your base as the all-ready made lotion, so you'll just be adding the active ingredient and try mix it well together. I'm no math whiz myself, so this is an estimation and doubt we have to be exact. I was only planning on adding a couple of tubes in with another lotion, mix, then cover and use. As long as the hq does not oxidize, that is the main challenge.Quote:
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Bey is a pretty color there too.
It's kind of hard to get a grasp, even with the celebrity examples because they too seem to change shades. I'm sure it depends on the lighting, makeup, photoshop, their sun exposure & regimens too etc.
When I was making my posts I Googled pics and one person can present so many different shades in all the photos! Craziness! Lol!
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Ok I get it now, so now the question is how to figure out how much tubes I would need in comparison to say a 250ml. Or 500ml. Tub of cream to maintain the same effect of the actives, and then maybe add something to prolong the stability of the HQ, right? Are you over there concocting a super lotion as we speak Golden? Lol no seriously I get the feeling you're about to make some genius concoction, right or wrong :)
I know.. When you get it together GG, I'll order some from you! Do you take Paypal? LOL!:pQuote:
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I'm only half-joking. My kids have scrambled my brains. I can't do the calculations & mixology but I'll buy some from you.
Please keep us posted!
Lol... I'm still trying to learn and absorb as much as I can, but would like to try during this winter season to see how it comes out.
I found a place that has HQ 10% for 30.00!! But they also have 7% so I think I'd try that first.
Yes put me on top of your prospective clientele list Golden. I asked a pharmacist in regards to mixing the cream we were talking about and he just said mix it 1 to 1, so use about the same amount of base as the active cream, but he did not go into detail about whether I could use more base than cream. Oh well at least I now know I can stretch out my cream a little bit longer.
Please DO SHARE!Quote:
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By the way is it raw HQ or is it already mixed?
Already mixed, it's a creamQuote:
Originally Posted by Itss A New Day
That sounds great. Was there shipping pretty high?Quote:
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Itss A New Day that's great that you asked a pharmacist and that he shared the info.
OK, where is this HQ 10% for 30.00? Golden_Girl I am so enamoured with your intelligence, you are very learned and I appreciated that. I have 4% HQ, tret, and a bethamethasone I got from my derma and I tried mixing them together but it didn't turn out right it had the consistency of like a spoiled milk kind of liquid with bits of congealed cream, so my derm said I shouldn't have done so. I was told to use from the tube to body as needed and not mix. This seems laborous. I was really considering the tret in lotion thing to strecth what I have it sounds like a good suggestion. I used to mix 2% HQ creams in skin lightening lotions and it seemed OK.
Thanks Slimgoody *blushing*, I would like to become well-learned so many of my questions I have been having will be answered. I don't know where HQ 10% for 30.00 is, unless you practice compounding your own for much less. Hq in a tube or pumb bottle is always best as it will oxidize less and remain more potent, since it is less exposed to air and light this way. Some active ingredients become ineffective when mixed with others, I don't know if this is what had happened though or if it was because it was exposed too much air and light. Although laborous, your derm is most likely correct.
Thanks Golden_Girl for the response to my post I am so heart broken but I will try to be delligent in doing the HQ tret process. I too have been bleaching for years I was a HQ2% queen but now I've stepped up I was looking for something permanent I want to have a Rihanna like tone, and I was told tret can help in semi to permanent results
Maybe some of the other members here who are using hq/tret know about the hq 10%, so you can try and post a question about it and go from there. I never used hq accept the 2%for my acne spots for about 2 weeks, and that was a fews back. Yesterday I just ordered hq4% and tret 0.05% for my arms, hands, and spots on my face. Tretinoin can help lighten some people a little, but it's mainly great for good exfoliation and then applying a good skin lightener for better and faster results. You can also try some of the non-hq products, I'll be trying the chrystaline to see if it'll work for me.
Actually hydroquinone is not recommanded at all. That is why it is banned in Ireland and the UK.
You can get better results without burning your skin with natural extracts plants lotion and creams such as, Makari, QEI+ and 55H+
You can see them at http://http://ebfhair.net/ebfhairdot...ath=31&sort=2a
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