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    Sep 29, 2022, 04:00 AM
    Hurricane Ian
    It is making ihet's way across Florida with it's devastation . Most of my family lives in the state and are in it's direct path. By this weekend it will set a bullseye where I live in SC

    Before that it ravaged Cuba.

    Best wishes and prayers for all in its path.

    Soon you will hear the narrative that storms like Ian are the direct result of extreme weather caused by global warming /climate change that is human caused.

    This is nonsense.

    To read a good, referenced rebuttal to almost all the arguments in favor of that hypothesis; I recommend a fiction book that is well referenced and documented.

    The book is Michael Crichton's thriller 'State of Fear'. Every assumption made by the climate change cult is countered in this fiction that is an easy read about ecoterrorism done in the name of saving the planet.
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    Sep 29, 2022, 04:15 AM
    Those of us in Mississippi who lived through Camille know that hurricanes are not becoming more violent.
    1969 camille aug 17th,just west from the SSE as a cat 5 175mph (hurdat) 900mb ,major damage with a 22 ft storm surge in this area. kills 137 along the coast .
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    Sep 30, 2022, 04:48 AM
    The politization of the storm has begun .

    1. Before the storm Clueless called Dem mayors in Florida about Federal responses and failed to call Guv DeSantis until it was reported. He then called the Guv to try to counter the negative press.

    2.CNNs Don Lemon repeatedly tried to get NOAA's hurricane director Jamie Rhome to say that Ian was caused by climate change. When his answers were unsatisfactory to the climate change cult ; their experts were invited to rebut .

    Discredited climate cult leader Michael Mann (the hockey stick graph "trick" that conveniently did a "hide the decline ") called Rhomes a denier for suggesting that a single event like Ian is evidence of climate change .

    There are many comments that suggest severe weather events are a new thing. But those of us burdened by history know otherwise.

    There was a devastating hurricane that hit Tampa /St Pete Oct 25,1921 . It was the biggest hurricane to hit the West coast of Florida and it was preceded by the hurricane of 1848 .

    There is plenty of social media commentary that says things like "not saying the Republicans in Fla deserve it but ,,,,,
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    Oct 1, 2022, 12:08 PM
    Migrants (mainly refugees from Venezuela) are so thankful to DeSantis for busing/flying them north to safety before Hurricane Ian hit Florida.
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    Oct 1, 2022, 01:31 PM
    yes and they can live on Dem freebees instead of picking grapefruits .
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    Oct 1, 2022, 01:59 PM
    Actually no. They are hard-working people who are already skilled workers in a variety of occupations in their own country, so will be eagerly welcomed here.
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    Oct 1, 2022, 02:35 PM
    They are hard-working people who are already skilled workers in a variety of occupations in their own country, so will be eagerly welcomed here.
    Mere speculation. You have no way of knowing if that is true or not.
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    Oct 1, 2022, 02:58 PM
    Quote Originally Posted by jlisenbe View Post
    Mere speculation. You have no way of knowing if that is true or not.
    Google that!
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    Oct 1, 2022, 03:08 PM
    I have learned many times that googling your non-information is an absolute waste of my time. It's your info, so it's up to you to support it.

    Note to other readers. Perhaps it will happen this time, but typically it does not.
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    Oct 1, 2022, 03:39 PM
    if indeed they are 'hard working ' 'skilled laborers ' then of course the US should welcome them . All they need to do is get proper visas before entering the country . That is not what these people are unfortunately

    Congressman says Homeland Security confirmed Venezuela 'sends violent criminals' to the United States | ADN América (adnamerica.com)
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    Oct 1, 2022, 03:54 PM
    The Venezuelan migrants are highly qualified: 57% of working-age Venezuelans have higher education, and of these, half have a university degree.

    Venezuelan immigrants participate in the U.S. labor force at a much higher rate than the overall immigrant and native-born populations.

    The vast majority of the Venezuelan migrants want to work.

    "Massachusetts has many resources to assist individuals who arrive with varying immigration statuses and needs," Governor Baker said. "The state is working with all partners involved to make sure those resources are available to the migrants that arrived on Wednesday."

    Quote Originally Posted by tomder55 View Post
    if indeed they are 'hard working ' 'skilled laborers ' then of course the US should welcome them . All they need to do is get proper visas before entering the country . That is not what these people are unfortunately

    Congressman says Homeland Security confirmed Venezuela 'sends violent criminals' to the United States | ADN América (adnamerica.com)
    Ah, another Republican who hasn't been to Martha's Vineyard. If he only knew....
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    Oct 1, 2022, 04:10 PM
    He is citing a DHS intelligence report .
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    Oct 1, 2022, 04:15 PM
    The Venezuelan migrants are highly qualified: 57% of working-age Venezuelans have higher education, and of these, half have a university degree.
    Tells us nothing about the immigrants as opposed to the general pop.

    Venezuelan immigrants participate in the U.S. labor force at a much higher rate than the overall immigrant and native-born populations.
    I'd have to see data to support that opinion, but even if true, let them come legally.

    The vast majority of the Venezuelan migrants want to work.
    Another opinion.

    "Massachusetts has many resources to assist individuals who arrive with varying immigration statuses and needs," Governor Baker said. "The state is working with all partners involved to make sure those resources are available to the migrants that arrived on Wednesday."
    Not sure what that has to do with your point.
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    Oct 1, 2022, 04:40 PM
    I KNEW it!!!!!
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    Oct 1, 2022, 04:57 PM
    Kam the sham spoke to a DNC Woman's leadership forum Friday and said hurricane disaster relief would be distributed based on "equity " ;that that "communities of color" would be first to receive aid.
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    Oct 1, 2022, 05:17 PM
    I KNEW it!!!!!
    Yeah. That's what happens when you are asked to provide support and you merely provide opinion. What happened to googling?
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    Oct 1, 2022, 05:20 PM
    Quote Originally Posted by jlisenbe View Post
    Yeah. That's what happens when you are asked to provide support and you merely provide opinion. What happened to googling?
    Not opinion. I GOOGLED!!!
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    Oct 1, 2022, 05:46 PM
    Oh? And the links?
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    Oct 1, 2022, 06:09 PM
    Quote Originally Posted by jlisenbe View Post
    Oh? And the links?
    For you to cherry-pick from and trash?
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    Oct 1, 2022, 06:20 PM
    Excuses, excuses, excuses. Why is it always someone else's fault???

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