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    #21

    Jan 1, 2022, 06:39 AM
    “A billion here, a billion there, and pretty soon you're talking real money." (Attributed to Senator Everett Dirksen )
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    #22

    Jan 1, 2022, 12:02 PM
    If you see money as a tool and not a goal then you can apply as needed to get the job done.
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    #23

    Jan 1, 2022, 01:37 PM
    Try unlimited borrowing in your personal life and see where it gets you. Try it with your state. Or just hang around a bit longer in our country and see what happens. Fantasies donít work well in the real world.
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    #24

    Jan 2, 2022, 12:42 PM
    Dems don't mind paying for stuff...repubs...never.
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    #25

    Jan 2, 2022, 12:43 PM
    Dems don't mind paying for stuff
    You mean like Obama and Biden have done?
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    #26

    Jan 2, 2022, 12:45 PM
    Yep, except repubs always say no.
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    #27

    Jan 2, 2022, 01:36 PM
    I'll say it again. There is no tax plan anywhere under discussion that will even come close to bringing a balanced budget, and there has been no such plan for probably twenty years. It's a hopeless situation of overspending which we American voters are too stupid and lazy to put a stop to. It is on both parties. To say the dems are willing to "pay for stuff" is just bizarre. There is no history at all to back that up. The last balanced budgets we had occurred with a dem pres and a repub Congress, and the repub Congress, led by Gingrich, was largely responsible.
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    #28

    Jan 2, 2022, 02:49 PM
    Forget the balanced budget, that didn't last very long after Bush came along. You'll never even control the debt or deficit without a plan of tax policy, investments and growth over TIME, combined with appropriate cuts that are fair, balanced and efficient. Current partisan bickering doesn't even make it possible for anything but conflict.
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    #29

    Jan 2, 2022, 03:00 PM
    It didnít last because we have become a lazy, dull-minded, self-indulgent people. We want our toys, repubs and dems alike.
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    #30

    Jan 4, 2022, 07:14 AM
    What toys are you referring too?
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    Jan 4, 2022, 05:44 PM
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    #32

    Jan 4, 2022, 06:21 PM
    Toys? COVID checks. Welfare checks. Earned income credits. Fat defense contracts. Taxes lower than they should be. Medicaid.
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    #33

    Jan 5, 2022, 10:25 AM
    Quote Originally Posted by jlisenbe View Post
    Toys? COVID checks. Welfare checks. Earned income credits. Fat defense contracts. Taxes lower than they should be. Medicaid.
    2 for 6 agreements as to luxury, but 4 are clearly a necessity for far to many given condition not of their making.
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    #34

    Jan 12, 2022, 09:31 AM
    7 percent inflation rate in December. Go figure. Maybe the irresponsible printing of money is not such a good idea?

    Thank you Pres Biden.
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    #35

    Jan 12, 2022, 09:48 AM
    Read the build back better bills. Both versions deal with inflation and are paid for.
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    #36

    Jan 12, 2022, 01:08 PM
    They are not paid for. Thatís the whole problem. The deficit grows ever larger.
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    #37

    Jan 12, 2022, 03:26 PM
    Joe Manchin called out the Dems lie about Build Brandon Better being paid for . It is budget trickery .
    ďThe American people deserve transparency on the true cost of the Build Back Better Act. The non-partisan Congressional Budget Office determined the cost is upwards of $4.5 trillion which is more than double what the billís ardent supporters have claimed. They continue to camouflage the real cost of the intent behind this bill.
    Manchin Statement On Build Back Better Act | U.S. Senator Joe Manchin of West Virginia (senate.gov)
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    Jan 12, 2022, 03:35 PM
    Which means it will in fact cost much more than 4.5 trillion.
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    Jan 12, 2022, 03:40 PM
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    Which means it will in fact cost much more than 4.5 trillion.
    Guess how it'll be paid for.
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    #40

    Jan 12, 2022, 04:07 PM
    Borrowed/printed money. It cannot possibly be paid for with tax revenues when the feds are already running a deficit of over a trillion dollars a year. It is completely hopeless.

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