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    Oct 12, 2021, 01:57 PM
    The only options right now are to make the pandemic somehow less serious in the future than it is now. The vax would seem to be part of that plan, but if we all wake up in five years with an extra hand growing out one of our ears, then it might look a little different. Now that is facetious, but other long term health problems are certainly possible.
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    #42

    Oct 12, 2021, 03:12 PM
    Quote Originally Posted by tomder55 View Post
    good thing they are not our elected leaders then. Epidemiologists don't have to concern themselves about the balance of public safety and individual liberty . They are more like Herr Doctor Fauci dressing up like the Soup Nazi for Halloween ... " No Christmas For You " !!!!!!!
    I'm always amazed at how the fringe right treats this decent public servant like a Nazi. If you're looking for a Nazi, look no further than Mar-a-Lago.
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    #43

    Oct 12, 2021, 04:03 PM
    What I dont understand is if it is so bad not to get the shot then why did they start exempting people from getting it like the postal service ?
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    Oct 12, 2021, 04:10 PM
    Welcome Cdad.
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    #45

    Oct 12, 2021, 04:15 PM
    Thank you. It has been a long time since I logged in.
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    Oct 12, 2021, 05:26 PM
    What I dont understand is if it is so bad not to get the shot then why did they start exempting people from getting it like the postal service ?
    This is a case where the compliant press' fact checkers did not fact check their own . The Washington Compost's Jacob Bogage

    I understand however where he screwed up . Quid with the spine of a jelly fish did not want to alienate a powerful union . So he "forgot " to mention the postal workers have to comply to his EO . The cover was that although Quid did not say the postal workers had to comply ;that in fact they had to comply with OSHA directives. Technically they are not directly hired by the government and that is where the confusion came from.

    The reporter buried the correction in the paper and did a tweet .
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    #47

    Oct 31, 2021, 05:19 AM
    26 fire houses in NYC are not operating due to vax mandate staffing shortages. WTG Sandinista Bill ! Fire fighters rather than getting the vax or get fired have opted to stage sick outs. They are going to use all their benefit time before getting canned . Keep in mind that these essential workers stayed on the job while the city was being ravaged by covid to a point that tent hospitals were set up in Central Park ;an emergency hospital was set up in the Javits Center , hospitals in Brooklyn were lining up meat trucks to cold storage corpses ,and the US government sent a hospital ship to the city .
    They are being rewarded for their heroic actions with the threat of being fired for refusing an experimental medical procedure Maybe firefighters capable of protecting the citie complicated structures are simply a dime a dozen and easily replaceable with volunteers from Long Island and Westchester . But I don't think so.
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    Oct 31, 2021, 11:11 AM
    Quote Originally Posted by tomder55 View Post
    They are being rewarded for their heroic actions with the threat of being fired for refusing an experimental medical procedure
    What is the experimental medical procedure they are refusing?
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    Oct 31, 2021, 04:18 PM
    I don't care that the FDA was pressured to give the vaccines full approval . The clinical trials the FDA typically will rely on to decide whether to license often last for two years or longer to collect adequate data to establish that the vaccines are safe and effective enough for the FDA to license.
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    Nov 1, 2021, 04:34 AM
    Quote Originally Posted by tomder55 View Post
    I don't care that the FDA was pressured to give the vaccines full approval . The clinical trials the FDA typically will rely on to decide whether to license often last for two years or longer to collect adequate data to establish that the vaccines are safe and effective enough for the FDA to license.
    According to you, the paperwork wasn't done so the vaccination program is an "experimental medical procedure" that firefighters should refuse.

    I can hardly find words to describe this comment.

    Le the facts speak for themselves: In 2021, a month after the US began administering the COVID vaccine, 99.5% of deaths from the virus were from the unvaccinated. That includes the Delta variant.
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    Nov 1, 2021, 05:21 AM
    In 2021, a month after the US began administering the COVID vaccine, 99.5% of deaths from the virus were from the unvaccinated. That includes the Delta variant.
    Age is still the greatest contributor. As CDC data below shows clearly, those unvaccinated and over 65 are far and away at greatest risk. For those below 65, even for the unvaxed, the death rates plummet. As MLK said, "Let freedom ring." An unvaxed person only puts him/herself and any other unvaxed person they might come in contact with at risk. I would recommend they take the vaccination, but mandates? Not hardly.



    https://covid.cdc.gov/covid-data-tra...vaccine-status
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    #52

    Nov 1, 2021, 05:23 AM
    NYC is going to be very sad when NYPD officers opt to go t work for a welcoming Suffolk County where they will not be forced to take a vax they don't want.
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    #53

    Nov 1, 2021, 05:30 AM
    People are very slow to learn. Detroit, after sixty years of democrat mayors, has lost 60% of its population. Entire square miles of once thriving neighborhoods now are filled with grasslands. It's one of the sad events of our time, and yet they still insist on voting in liberal dem mayors and city councils. Unreal.
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    Nov 1, 2021, 06:01 AM
    Quote Originally Posted by tomder55 View Post
    NYC is going to be very sad when NYPD officers opt to go t work for a welcoming Suffolk County where they will not be forced to take a vax they don't want.
    In that case, they can continue endangering themselves and everyone they come in contact with including their families and friends. Seems like a drastic decision to lose their job because of a vaccine they don't want to take. What's next - refusing to pay taxes because they don't want to be forced to pay?
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    #55

    Nov 1, 2021, 06:06 AM
    They will have jobs with equal pay initially and better pay as they get tenure .They will be in a community that respects law enforcement and their right to make medical decisions will not be violated .
    Suffolk hiring over 700 cops, including possible NYPD officers (nypost.com)
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    Nov 1, 2021, 06:06 AM
    In that case, they can continue endangering themselves and everyone they come in contact with including their families and friends.
    Except that is not true. Only the unvaxed family and friends would be put in danger. They could choose to take the vax if they wanted.
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    #57

    Nov 1, 2021, 06:51 AM
    Quote Originally Posted by tomder55 View Post
    their right to make medical decisions will not be violated .
    I wonder if their children will be forced to be vaccinated for school violating their right to make medical decisions.
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    #58

    Nov 1, 2021, 11:44 AM
    do they mandate vax for the flu ? That would be the question . What other corona virus do they mandate vax for ? They don't because it would be silly to do so .
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    #59

    Nov 1, 2021, 11:56 AM
    Quote Originally Posted by tomder55 View Post
    do they mandate vax for the flu ? That would be the question . What other corona virus do they mandate vax for ? They don't because it would be silly to do so .
    Vaccinations and boosters are required for MMR, polio, chicken pox, whopping cough, tetanus, and many other diseases/conditions. Why not covid-19?
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    Nov 1, 2021, 12:08 PM
    Those are all proven vaccines. Covid 19 is not, and there is also not a compelling reason for otherwise healthy children to be vaxed.

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