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    #21

    Jul 2, 2021, 06:44 AM
    Quote Originally Posted by jlisenbe View Post
    Federal tax laws have become so large and complex that they can basically get just about anyone at any time. It's a wonder that we put up with it. If we are going to continue with an income tax, we need a simple flat tax. It would amount to every person's share of the cost of government instead of the current plan where the top 10% of income earners pay practically all of income taxes.
    As usual, an unthinking long-discarded notion about flat tax that even the right-wing has dismissed. By all means, let's cut taxes enormously for the enormously wealthy and increase them for the poor and everybody else. Shades of Steve Forbes, a multi-milliionaire who stood to gain hundreds of millions when he was promoting the flat tax.

    Spare us amateur tax analysis by those incompetent and not qualified.
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    #22

    Jul 2, 2021, 06:48 AM
    an unthinking long-discarded notion
    Only by you.
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    #23

    Jul 2, 2021, 06:50 AM
    Quote Originally Posted by jlisenbe View Post
    Only by you.
    And anyone with a brain - that excludes you.
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    #24

    Jul 2, 2021, 03:02 PM
    Quote Originally Posted by tomder55 View Post
    They suspend his license because he asserted that the election was stolen and widespread fraud happened . The burden is on them to prove that his statements were " demonstrably false" . That should be interesting. I don't think they have that let along proof that he knowingly made false statements .

    My point stands . None of the attorneys who claimed for years that Trump was elected through “Russian collusion” has been disciplined in a similar manner.
    A really false premise since you can't go into court with just assertions and no evidence of which the burden falls to the one bring the suit.

    Quote Originally Posted by paraclete View Post
    Trump is now on the ropes. His CFO is charged with dishonesty and tax evasion so they have evidence that could extend to Trump. The tax evasion relates to fringe benefits so it is just a ploy to get him to give up Trump.
    Just the beginning but still enjoyed the perp walk

    Quote Originally Posted by tomder55 View Post
    Yeah typical prosecution strategery . Someone in the organization does something wrong .They pile on him and then offer a deal to him that includes providing dirt on the person above them in the food chain. He is motivated so he says what the prosecution wants to hear .
    Looks like he thinks he can beat the rap in a court room which I doubt, and why should a rich crook be treated any different than a poor one?
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    Jul 3, 2021, 01:33 AM
    why should a rich crook be treated any different than a poor one?
    valid point . Ask Martha Stewart . The difference here is was the person targeted because they are high profile ? Is the motive to prosecute due to the alleged crime or for the sake of nailing a high profile person thus advancing the prosecutor's career ? Is the prosecution politically motivated ?

    What is the crime alleged ? The CFO not paying taxes on compensation . NYC is a cesspool of violent crime and that is what the Manhattan DA is prioritizing ?
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    Jul 3, 2021, 04:04 AM
    Quote Originally Posted by tomder55 View Post
    valid point . Ask Martha Stewart . The difference here is was the person targeted because they are high profile ? Is the motive to prosecute due to the alleged crime or for the sake of nailing a high profile person thus advancing the prosecutor's career ? Is the prosecution politically motivated ?
    You certainly make it sound like rich high profilers should skate through the system but 15 years of tax cheating is a big enough deal for some accountability, and I like Martha, everybody does, but us ordinary folks can be profiled, stopped and lose our jobs over the "smell" of dope, or a roach in an ashtray. I mean should we just keep turning a blind eye to white collar criminal behavior, and reward them with a wink and a nod?

    What is the crime alleged ? The CFO not paying taxes on compensation . NYC is a cesspool of violent crime and that is what the Manhattan DA is prioritizing ?
    Again with defending the rich (WHITE) guys? It's no wonder they can lie cheat and steal and game the system for DECADES.
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    Jul 3, 2021, 09:09 AM
    Quote Originally Posted by tomder55 View Post
    Is the prosecution politically motivated ?
    This is the argument from the Trump side. Already proclaimed publicly by the defense attorneys.

    What is the crime alleged ?
    A 15 year pattern of defrauding the American taxpayer including not paying taxes due to the IRS on $1.7 million. That's so far - more coming.

    NYC is a cesspool of violent crime and that is what the Manhattan DA is prioritizing ?
    As previously stated - Do we then just ignore white collar crime?
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    Jul 3, 2021, 05:36 PM
    If it's the lying cheating stealing dufus the answer from the right fringe is ABSOLUTELY
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    #29

    Jul 3, 2021, 05:55 PM
    There is nothing to say you can't have multiple prosecutions on the go at any one time, but targeting a high profile individual because he is a high profile individual is a miscarriage of justice. The travesty is when the prosecution seeks to discover a crime where there is no prior evidence of a crime
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    Jul 4, 2021, 02:07 AM
    You certainly make it sound like rich high profilers should skate through the system but 15 years of tax cheating is a big enough deal for some accountability,
    years of investigating the Trump Organization ;years of audits ,and all they have is a local prosecutor making a name for himself by accusing the CFO of not paying taxes on some perks . Great job ! Great use of the public resources !

    All you need to know is that the Feds did not touch the case ;and the prosecutors in the NY districts would never defer on a case as high profile as this if they had a case against him. Keep in mind that all the alleged crimes leaked to the press that Trump is supposed to have done are Federal crimes .I believe that the Feds have first dibs ,especially if the evidence can support conspiracy charges .

    This is a show trial .First pick a target, then search for a crime to allege. Weisselberg voluntarily went to Vance's office to surrender . Still they made a public spectacle of cuffing and frog marching him in front of the press . They are not going after Trump and family . But they did add charges against the Trump Org. That is essentially a money grab.

    Meanwhile violent crime is at levels not seen in many years in NYC. But NYC prosecutors are basically turning a blind eye to that . Talk about a 2 tiered justice system ! Democrats and the thugs and mobs on the streets they sympathize with have immunity, while no infraction by a Republican ,especially Trump or Trumpsters ,is too trivial to pursue.

    Vance has all the documents . If there was a serious case to be made ,he would make it based on the docs and not on trying to turn the CFO to prosecution witness . The docs should provide all the evidence he needs if he has a real case against Trump .
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    #31

    Jul 4, 2021, 05:01 AM
    Quote Originally Posted by paraclete View Post
    There is nothing to say you can't have multiple prosecutions on the go at any one time, but targeting a high profile individual because he is a high profile individual is a miscarriage of justice. The travesty is when the prosecution seeks to discover a crime where there is no prior evidence of a crime
    Maybe you should read up of the history of the dufus and his court cases before you stick your head up his a$$.

    @Tom

    Yeah, yeah see the response to Clete and maybe this is just the beginning and there is more to come. Why do conservatives like to stick there heads shoulder deep up the a$$ of a lying cheating stealing dufus who got impeached twice before being booted out of office?

    Have you lost your friggin' minds? No need to answer, it's pretty obvious you have.
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    #32

    Jul 4, 2021, 11:45 AM
    correction who's 2 partisan impeachments did not lead to any conviction .

    Just the beginning ? The Dems had 5 years to find anything and the best they could come up with was his CFO did not pay sufficient taxes on perks he received from the Trump Org.
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    #33

    Jul 4, 2021, 11:55 AM
    Quote Originally Posted by tomder55 View Post
    correction who's 2 partisan impeachments did not lead to any conviction .
    Everyone knew those actions weren't going anywhere, the Repubs had the Senate sown up and would never allow them to succeed.
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    #34

    Jul 4, 2021, 12:11 PM
    Just as in the same manner the liberal dems had the House sewn up and would never consider anything other than impeachment.
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    #35

    Jul 4, 2021, 12:57 PM
    Quote Originally Posted by tomder55 View Post
    correction who's 2 partisan impeachments did not lead to any conviction .
    C'mon, Tomd, you know the answer for that.

    Just the beginning ? The Dems had 5 years to find anything and the best they could come up with was his CFO did not pay sufficient taxes on perks he received from the Trump Org.
    Mueller found plenty - 10 counts of obstruction at last count - but crook AGBarr refused to let Trump be indicted for ANYTHING! Walking down Fifth Avenue shooting people? Trump goes free!!
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    #36

    Jul 4, 2021, 03:25 PM
    Why hasn't Garland filed charges ? The Feds have the ravings of Michael Cohen . Vance and Letitia James have all the docs . If they had a slam dunk case it would be Trump doing the frog march .

    Madam Mim ,Adam Schiffhead ,Jerry the toad Nadler ,and the Schmuckster failed to take Trump down, So they have handed the baton to the B team .
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    #37

    Jul 4, 2021, 04:16 PM
    Quote Originally Posted by tomder55 View Post
    Why hasn't Garland filed charges ? The Feds have the ravings of Michael Cohen . Vance and Letitia James have all the docs . If they had a slam dunk case it would be Trump doing the frog march .

    Madam Mim ,Adam Schiffhead ,Jerry the toad Nadler ,and the Schmuckster failed to take Trump down, So they have handed the baton to the B team .
    LOL - you sure are colorful, tomder.
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    #38

    Jul 4, 2021, 06:40 PM
    Quote Originally Posted by tomder55 View Post
    , So they have handed the baton to the B team .
    There is a B team?
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    #39

    Jul 5, 2021, 08:44 AM
    Quote Originally Posted by tomder55 View Post
    Why hasn't Garland filed charges ? The Feds have the ravings of Michael Cohen . Vance and Letitia James have all the docs . If they had a slam dunk case it would be Trump doing the frog march .

    Madam Mim ,Adam Schiffhead ,Jerry the toad Nadler ,and the Schmuckster failed to take Trump down, So they have handed the baton to the B team .
    Patience hopper grass, more will be revealed later. Hard to take down a tyrant wannabe lying, cheating stealing dufus when his sheeple protect him and fight for a place up his big orange a$$, but for fact we did take him down in the last election. Remember that? The cleanest most participated election in our history, that made right wing heads explode and caused you guys to run around in a panic and try to change the rules, and burn the house down.

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