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    #41

    Mar 27, 2021, 03:53 PM
    I wish I had a magic wand that would allow you to shop while Black, drive your 2017 SUV while Black, wear headphones and listen to lively music as you groove along on the village sidewalk while Black, stand in line at McDonald's while Black ... and so on.
    Let me know when you experience that .
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    #42

    Mar 27, 2021, 03:54 PM
    I’m talking about the whole picture. To force poor families, or any family for that matter, to send their children to poor performing schools is criminal.
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    #43

    Mar 27, 2021, 04:17 PM
    Quote Originally Posted by jlisenbe View Post
    To force poor families, or any family for that matter, to send their children to poor performing schools is criminal.
    Therefore, what needs to be changed in teacher education so that students don't go to "poor performing schools"?
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    Mar 27, 2021, 04:23 PM
    They could start by stopping teachers from teaching a distorted version of American history like the 1619 Project .
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    #45

    Mar 27, 2021, 04:38 PM
    You are assuming the problem is these “poor” teachers. I think you need to broaden your horizons.
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    #46

    Mar 27, 2021, 04:52 PM
    Quote Originally Posted by jlisenbe View Post
    You are assuming the problem is these “poor” teachers. I think you need to broaden your horizons.
    No, the problem is crappy college curricula.
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    #47

    Mar 27, 2021, 04:56 PM
    Might be part of the problem but not the major problem.
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    #48

    Mar 27, 2021, 05:04 PM
    Quote Originally Posted by jlisenbe View Post
    Might be part of the problem but not the major problem.
    It's Problem #1.
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    #49

    Mar 27, 2021, 05:17 PM
    There is no data to support that.
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    Mar 27, 2021, 05:22 PM
    Quote Originally Posted by jlisenbe View Post
    There is no data to support that.
    If teachers don't know what to teach -- and HOW to teach -- the students ... finish the sentence.
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    #51

    Mar 27, 2021, 05:26 PM
    There is no data to support your idea.
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    #52

    Mar 27, 2021, 05:29 PM
    what data do you have?
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    #53

    Mar 27, 2021, 05:38 PM
    Best book on the subject I know of is No Excuses by the Thernstroms. It is a detailed examination of NAEP scores. Another great one is Meaningful Differences which examines the differences in how poor kids are raised versus middle and upper class kids. Money is not the difference.
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    #54

    Mar 27, 2021, 05:56 PM
    I think that the biggest thing that has to be overcome is the attitude of the students. They are so willing to tear eachother down and reject excellence for percieved fame. Be it dealing drugs or internet views.

    On a side note: Thanks Tal for the welcome back. I never really left I just been in the shadows. AMHD isnt what it used to be.
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    #55

    Mar 27, 2021, 06:11 PM
    Welcome cdad. Your observation about students has some merit.
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    #56

    Mar 28, 2021, 05:04 AM
    Thank you
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    #57

    Mar 28, 2021, 05:16 AM
    AMHD isnt what it used to be.
    That's sure true.

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