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    #41

    Jan 18, 2021, 06:07 PM
    Wonder why we didn't. Hmm....
    Two word answer. Liberal dems.

    And you have NO IDEA of the difference.
    Kind of the difference between "legal" and "illegal". Not real complicated.
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    #42

    Jan 18, 2021, 06:13 PM
    Quote Originally Posted by jlisenbe View Post
    Two word answer. Liberal dems.
    Yeah, right, they were in charge of the federal government for the past four years.
    Kind of the difference between "legal" and "illegal". Not real complicated.
    And I'd be singing hymns in heaven without illegals.
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    #43

    Jan 18, 2021, 06:29 PM
    Two fascinating and revealing replies to the same question on immigration --

    The first one is from WG:

    At the border, he should install many checkpoints that include medical stations to give vaccinations and do physical and mental exams, temporary housing, child care, food stations, transportation to pre-set locations once approval has been granted, and translators. (If I were younger, I'd help.)


    This one is from Jlsenbe:

    Or just build a wall.


    Which one is the Christian?
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    #44

    Jan 18, 2021, 08:55 PM
    Yeah, right, they were in charge of the federal government for the past four years.
    They were in charge of the House the past two years, and the House is in charge of initiating spending. But I would certainly agree that it would have been great if more had been done.

    And I'd be singing hymns in heaven without illegals.
    I have no idea what you are talking about.

    Which one is the Christian?
    You should know by now that I am never, never, never impressed by anyone's morality based upon a theoretical call for spending someone else's money on an unproven idea. If you think that's what it means to be a Christian, then you know very little about the faith.
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    #45

    Jan 18, 2021, 09:12 PM
    Quote Originally Posted by jlisenbe View Post
    I have no idea what you are talking about.
    I had developed aplastic anemia in April and almost died on May 8, 2018.
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    #46

    Jan 19, 2021, 05:38 AM
    I had developed aplastic anemia in April and almost died on May 8, 2018.
    Thank God you survived. What does that have to do with illegal immigration?
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    #47

    Jan 19, 2021, 06:48 AM
    Are the hospitals in Chi-town hiring illegals ? I kinda doubt it .
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    #48

    Jan 19, 2021, 07:57 AM
    Yeah. I was thinking the same thing. Not trying to make light of the situation, but I would imagine that legal doctors, nurses, and pharmacists actually were the major players. Hard to imagine otherwise.
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    #49

    Jan 19, 2021, 09:54 AM
    Quote Originally Posted by tomder55 View Post
    Are the hospitals in Chi-town hiring illegals ? I kinda doubt it .
    Unless the disease is treated with blood transfusions. Then you need donors. The donors aren't always professionals.
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    #50

    Jan 19, 2021, 10:21 AM
    Quote Originally Posted by jlisenbe View Post
    Thank God you survived. What does that have to do with illegal immigration?
    Is memory becoming a problem too??? I had posted just above this that I'd be singing hymns in heaven if it weren't for immigrants and most likely a few illegal immigrants.

    Quote Originally Posted by talaniman View Post
    Unless the disease is treated with blood transfusions. Then you need donors. The donors aren't always professionals.
    One transfusion in the ER, three more during the next 18 hours. And the hospitals are staffed by far more types than doctors, nurses, and pharmacists -- aside to tomder to consider CNAs, lab techs and gofers, orderlies, and even the custodians who helped me polish my Spanish.
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    #51

    Jan 19, 2021, 11:41 AM
    Your point about diverse hospital staff is well taken WG, and especially during covid, seriously undermanned, and Biden just released his immigration plan to address that legal/illegal question. I hope this leads to humane and fair, safe processing of humans.
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    #52

    Jan 19, 2021, 01:15 PM
    Is memory becoming a problem too??? I had posted just above this that I'd be singing hymns in heaven if it weren't for immigrants and most likely a few illegal immigrants.
    I remember it well. The question is which illegal immigrants helped you. Doctors? Nurses? CNAs? Custodians? Pharmacists? How did you know that some ESSENTIAL services were provided by illegals and you would not have gotten them without those illegal immigrants? Is this like the "I live on a modest income and am a monied republican making over a quarter mil a year" statement?

    One transfusion in the ER, three more during the next 18 hours. And the hospitals are staffed by far more types than doctors, nurses, and pharmacists -- aside to tomder to consider CNAs, lab techs and gofers, orderlies, and even the custodians who helped me polish my Spanish.
    And they told you that they were illegals providing these services??? I find that one hard to believe.
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    #53

    Jan 19, 2021, 01:56 PM
    I imagine Chi-town hospitals use E Verify like most legit employers .
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    #54

    Jan 19, 2021, 02:51 PM
    I wouldn't mind a program of green cards to nurses and medically trained illegals.
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    #55

    Jan 19, 2021, 03:10 PM
    Quote Originally Posted by talaniman View Post
    I wouldn't mind a program of green cards to nurses and medically trained illegals.
    That is a wonderful idea!
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    #56

    Jan 19, 2021, 03:40 PM
    That is a wonderful idea!
    Has been being done for decades. Over 14 million people in the U.S. have green cards.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Green_card
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    #57

    Jan 19, 2021, 03:55 PM
    Quote Originally Posted by jlisenbe View Post
    Has been being done for decades. Over 14 million people in the U.S. have green cards.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Green_card
    Something simpler than that.
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    #58

    Jan 19, 2021, 04:20 PM
    Hmm. It's simple enough that fourteen million people have figured it out.
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    #59

    Jan 19, 2021, 04:51 PM
    Quote Originally Posted by jlisenbe View Post
    Hmm. It's simple enough that fourteen million people have figured it out.
    That's ALL???
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    #60

    Jan 19, 2021, 05:29 PM
    Yeah. Only equivalent to the population of three Alabamas. Go figure.

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