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    Sep 26, 2020, 08:34 AM
    You're right the cops are but part of the problem, but we cannot just address cops without addressing the broader issue of the uneven application of law that makes for those circumstances. I get a narrow focus of behavior allows you to apply your social solutions, but does nothing to shed light on the greater factors of economics or systematic inequality which prevails. As Clete alludes its just not confined to black people since a larger number of white people along with other minorities, are in the exact same boat. That's what the protestors are saying, and joined by non black supporters as well (As seen not just across the country, but globally as well and that's a verifiable FACT.), even though your main focus is on the violence while dismissing the entire message of the non violent protestors.
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    Sep 26, 2020, 09:39 AM
    I get a narrow focus of behavior allows you to apply your social solutions, but does nothing to shed light on the greater factors of economics or systematic inequality which prevails.
    I think you are living in a fantasy world. A "narrow focus of behaviors"??? Well, in the black community, if you solve the twin problems of inferior schools and the dissolution of the family unit, then you solve the great majority of problems black Americans face. But that would take courage and self discipline, and those two qualities are not popular. So I guess, in your world, that amounts to a "narrow focus". In my world, it amounts to an opportunity to make great progress. But it's easier to continue what amounts to racism by focusing on what white cops do to black individuals who are generally resisting arrest.

    And yes, those problems afflict our culture as a whole, but we are not discussing the entire culture, are we?
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    Sep 26, 2020, 10:14 AM
    Yes we are discussing the problems that afflict the entire culture. I will repeat, the problems in the black community are shared by the wider society. Solve THAT, and you solve the problems of the black community.
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    Sep 26, 2020, 10:19 AM
    Solve THAT, and you solve the problems of the black community.
    Nope. Not even close. Black America's biggest problems are independent of the rest of culture. The rest of culture has not destroyed black families. The rest of culture has not created inferior inner city schools. This was done largely in communities with black majorities electing liberal democrat officials.
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    #45

    Sep 26, 2020, 10:46 AM
    The rest of culture has not created inferior inner city schools.
    The President says school choice is the civil rights issue of our time. The Democrats/ progressives / socialists are on the wrong side of the issue.
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    Sep 26, 2020, 11:10 AM
    Does everybody have that choice? That's the Flaw in the system.
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    Sep 26, 2020, 11:24 AM
    Does everybody have that choice? That's the Flaw in the system.
    The flaw in the system is that NO ONE has school choice other than those with the money to afford it. School choice was in effect in D.C. until Obama did away with it. It should be the great outcry of poor people. 9 out of 10 black boys in democrat controlled Baltimore do not read on grade level. Reaction of black leadership? "Yawn."
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    Sep 26, 2020, 12:03 PM
    What has the dufus done to fix it? Has he?
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    Sep 26, 2020, 12:07 PM
    Teacher education needs to be fixed also.
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    Sep 26, 2020, 12:51 PM
    glad you asked .
    Trump is calling on Congress to pass the 'Education Freedom Scholarships and Opportunity Act ' . The bill would amend the Internal Revenue Code of 1986 to establish tax credits to encourage individual and corporate taxpayers to contribute to scholarships for elementary and secondary students through eligible scholarship-granting organizations, and for other purposes.

    Trump's school choice plan, which has more than 120 Congressional co-sponsors, would bolster existing State scholarship programs and encourage more States to pursue education freedom policies. The plan creates a $5 billion annual tax credit for donations to state-based, locally-controlled scholarships.These scholarships will help families pay for tuition, transportation, tutoring, and apprenticeships.

    Trump has directed $200 million in annual funding since 2017 to prioritize STEM (science, technology, engineering and mathematics )and Computer Science education.

    The Administration has invested nearly $1.5 billion in the development of public charter schools, serving more than 3 million students.

    Trump secured permanent funding for Historically Black Colleges and Universities.

    His administration simplified the Free Application for Federal Student Aid (FAFSA) form, helping 20 million families who apply every year to qualify for Federal student aid.

    He signed legislation reauthorizing the 'D.C. Opportunity Scholarship' Program ;reversing the emperor's policy that denied scholarships to low-income students.
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    Sep 26, 2020, 12:57 PM
    Teacher education needs to be fixed also.
    They 1str have to be freed of the restrictive yoke that the teacher unions put on the system
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    Sep 26, 2020, 01:11 PM
    No, no, no! I mean the courses students are offered in a teacher education program. Very few are practical or prepare a person for the hard work of teaching.
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    #53

    Sep 26, 2020, 04:35 PM
    What has the dufus done to fix it? Has he?
    I can't believe you made that comment. Your hero, Obama, took away what little school choice the feds had started n the ONLY PLACE they can do it which is D.C.
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    Sep 26, 2020, 04:43 PM
    Quote Originally Posted by jlisenbe View Post
    I can't believe you made that comment. Your hero, Obama, took away what little school choice the feds had started n the ONLY PLACE they can do it which is D.C.
    Why hasn't Trump restored that?
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    Sep 26, 2020, 05:14 PM
    If it turns out he did, will you join me in supporting that?
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    Sep 26, 2020, 05:17 PM
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    If it turns out he did, will you join me in supporting that?
    Only if you stop dissing Hillary and Obama.
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    #57

    Sep 26, 2020, 05:48 PM
    No deal.
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    Sep 26, 2020, 05:53 PM
    Quote Originally Posted by jlisenbe View Post
    No deal.
    No problem. He hasn't.
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    #59

    Sep 26, 2020, 06:22 PM
    How mistaken you are.
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    #60

    Sep 26, 2020, 06:30 PM
    get a grip

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