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    #641

    Jan 24, 2020, 06:46 PM
    Quote Originally Posted by Wondergirl View Post
    Oh, man! I weep!
    undoubtedly you do, for lost chances, opportunities thrown away by idiots
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    #642

    Jan 24, 2020, 06:50 PM
    Quote Originally Posted by paraclete View Post
    undoubtedly you do, for lost chances, opportunities thrown away by idiots
    Yup! My Republican buddies are knocking themselves out with foolish observations and comments.
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    #643

    Jan 24, 2020, 07:42 PM
    To which your only reply is that you weep. I guess if I was a liberal, I'd weep too.
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    #644

    Jan 24, 2020, 08:21 PM
    Quote Originally Posted by jlisenbe View Post
    To which your only reply is that you weep. I guess if I was a liberal, I'd weep too.
    And I'd certainly drag tRump to regular therapy sessions and oversee his med-taking.
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    #645

    Jan 24, 2020, 10:57 PM
    The WILL OF THE AMERICAN PEOPLE is on Trial: A duly elected POTUS is trying to be ousted by a gaggle of leftist: This is a direct threat to U.S. Democracy and the U.S. Constitution.

    The likes of Nadler, Schiff, Pelosi, and the rest are truly disgusting human beings. I leave little A.O.C. out of this: She is simply confused...and much to nice looking for comment.
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    Jan 25, 2020, 03:08 AM
    The will of the people was to kick repubs out of the House and give Pelosi, Schiff and Nadler the power to check your lunatic and they have. Be careful because Dems may end up with the Senate too, and if the dufus is still around talking and doing crazy stuff he can be impeached again unless repubs wake up and make this a fair trial and get all the facts before they make a decision on this trial. So far the dems have made a compelling case and the dufus has his turn at defending himself.

    In the meantime a video by Parnas has surfaced, you know the guy the dufus doesn't know, at least that's his story,, where he and the dufus are discussing the firing of Amb. Yavonovitch, so no doubt we will have to hear the explanation for yet another lie.

    Holy Nixon Tapes Batman!
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    #647

    Jan 25, 2020, 03:30 AM
    The President can hire and fire any diplomat he chooses to for whatever reason he wants to . They work for the Chief Executive not the other way around . Article 2 gives the President the power to set foreign policy . 3 days of grasping at straws is what I saw this week. And yes ,I think the Dems will continue to try to impeach throughout his 2nd term
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    #648

    Jan 25, 2020, 03:44 AM
    Points taken, but it's the drama around the firing and hiring, wheeling and dealing, causing the uproar and what lead to the impeachment trials. Plus he always knew he had the senate protecting his backside, making removal an impossibility from the get go. Heck we will be hardpressed to get any further than his defense team statements, even though most every American wants witnesses and documents but repubs have the votes to squash everything they want, and have squashed it before.

    The only certainty is they won't cancel the super bowl!
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    #649

    Jan 25, 2020, 05:57 AM
    Talaniman: Not happening, Demos are more likely to lose Congress than to win the Senate. The whole IMPEACHMENT play, staged by leftist, has soured the American people on the Demos and has IMPROVED Trump's standing with them: His popularity has risen.

    Might as well start whining now because Trump is fixing to win, again, in 2020: The left can't get out of their own way.
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    #650

    Jan 25, 2020, 06:46 AM
    What makes you think that Vac? Or is it just wishful thinking? Or do you know that the trial can't be fair without witnesses and documents, and that repubs have no interest in a fair trial? I know you said his popularity has gone up, but you didn't say with who. Repubs?
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    #651

    Jan 25, 2020, 06:56 AM
    If polling is correct, he will get as much as 25 to 30% of the black vote. If that happens, then he's in.
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    #652

    Jan 25, 2020, 07:12 AM
    Quote Originally Posted by tomder55 View Post
    Article 2 gives the President the power to set foreign policy
    It doesn't give him the power to rig a presidential election in his favor.

    3 days of grasping at straws is what I saw this week.
    "Having eyes, he saw not."
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    #653

    Jan 25, 2020, 07:30 AM
    Quote Originally Posted by jlisenbe View Post
    If polling is correct, he will get as much as 25 to 30% of the black vote. If that happens, then he's in.
    The polls said HC would be the next prez and we all know how that worked out!
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    #654

    Jan 25, 2020, 07:40 AM
    Very true. Polling has its limits.
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    #655

    Jan 25, 2020, 08:09 AM
    here's a factoid that doesn't require polls . In the post WWII era there have been 2 elected incumbents who lost reelection . Jimmy Carter and GHWBush....Bush had a 3rd party candidate erode his base;and Carter's Dems were divided because Ted the swimmer challenged him at the convention until the end .(Ford was not elected ) Both Carter and GHW Bush had economic issues ;and on top of that Bush pissed off his base by raising taxes after promising not to do so . Presidents who have an economic boom win in landslides and the last time the Dems picked a hard lefty ,he lost in a 49 state whooping with only Mass. voting for McGovern.
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    #656

    Jan 25, 2020, 02:22 PM
    The Dems forgot about the possibility of potential Dem Senators's defection

    https://thehill.com/homenews/senate/...1ilFc4CYF_o2Sg
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    #657

    Jan 25, 2020, 03:44 PM
    Good to know that there are still some dems out there able to think for themselves and not just march along in lockstep.
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    #658

    Jan 26, 2020, 12:52 AM
    Be great if a few repubs would show some independence and get out of lock set and just do the right thing and call witnesses and demand documents. Hey Tom Nixon said the magic words end the war in VM, and everybody was for that.
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    #659

    Jan 26, 2020, 02:50 AM
    and you think McGovern ran pro war ? Nixon was President in 1972 and the Vietnam war was still hot. There are some parallels to 1972. The Dems had run the party establishment candidate in 1968 and locked out insurgents .To make amends the Dems created the McGovern commission .That commission changed party rules to punish traditional delegates . Last election the Dems locked out Bernie . Now they have a"Unity Review Commission" which will undoubtedly punish "super Delegates " . The party veered to the extreme left. The party lost the working class as they are well on their way to doing again with their anti-energy job positions in key swing states . What is sad is that by today's standards ,McGovern is a moderate Dem as the whole party has swung way left that now the socialists are the mainstream of the party and the party could very well be embracing the Marxist wing of socialism . You see what saved the Dems was that although McGovern was extreme; the rest of the party could argue that they were not extreme like McGovern(or at least they disguised it well) . That is why they did not suffer a loss of Congress. This year however ,the radicals have taken over the steering of the Democrat House. They forced the Speaker to do something she knows is potentially suicidal ;impeaching Trump without proving any criminality to his decisions .
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    #660

    Jan 26, 2020, 06:37 AM
    I still can't come to grips with how wildly LEFT the Demos have become today. I never thought that I would see the party of my Mother, a lifelong "Roosevelt" Democrat, turn so abruptly and hard left. I don't think it happened during the Clinton years, even though Hillary led Bill around by the ear in terms of ideological lead. The turn had to come during Obama's years in Office. I think people forget, and many Demos don't even know, that Obama's said that his best friends were radicals and Marxist: When you come out in public and say something like that, it gives people and insight into HOW YOU THINK AND WHERE YOU STAND. Imagine if Trump came out and said that his best friends were Klansmen and Nazis? Would not everyone have and slobber knocking fit? So Obama turned the Democrat Party into a radical party that is heading to toward straight-up Marxism.

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