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    #521

    Jan 14, 2020, 07:00 PM
    Quote Originally Posted by talaniman View Post
    Fortunately Clete it's not up to you or Russsia what our government looks like, at least until the dufus showed up and invited Vlad and anybody else in the world into our elections.
    No evidence of that Tal, you want to keep the rest of the world out of your elections, control your rabid media that broadcasts every nuance, every word Trump utters. Like it or not we have a stake in what you decide over there. Trump didn't invite anyone, they all got splinters in their bum watching from the stands
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    Jan 14, 2020, 07:04 PM
    Dude, the deed has been done, and all that's left is a trial.

    What choice do I have with the dufus lying, cheating, and pushing the boundaries of good behavior day in and day out for the last 3 years?
    I didn't think that this statement was so hard to understand.

    Quote Originally Posted by paraclete View Post
    No evidence of that Tal, you want to keep the rest of the world out of your elections, control your rabid media that broadcasts every nuance, every word Trump utters. Like it or not we have a stake in what you decide over there. Trump didn't invite anyone, they all got splinters in their bum watching from the stands
    Stay tuned and keep those tweezers handy.
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    #523

    Jan 14, 2020, 08:21 PM
    You still have not explained why you are not following your own rule.
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    Jan 15, 2020, 04:10 AM
    Quote Originally Posted by jlisenbe View Post
    But you very plainly said, "So let's not get so hung up on calling foul now, and what's fair or not, or who get's to make the rules of the road." So why are so carefree about lying, cheating, and "pushing the boundaries of good behavior" ONLY when the dems do it? Why don't you follow your own rule?
    They aren't my rules dude, you confuse yourself again. The senate is making the rules for the trial, not me and last I checked I have been very specific about calling out the dufus, and his sycophants as the dems present their case which is growing as we speak with even more revelations about the dufus bad behavior. You will have to refresh my memory of repubs doing stuff like that so I can properly credit them for their good works.
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    #525

    Jan 15, 2020, 04:13 AM
    This rule: "So let's not get so hung up on calling foul now, and what's fair or not, or who get's to make the rules of the road."
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    Jan 15, 2020, 06:41 PM
    Quote Originally Posted by jlisenbe View Post
    This rule: "So let's not get so hung up on calling foul now, and what's fair or not, or who get's to make the rules of the road."
    That's not a rule, it's the acceptance of the reality that the deed has been done so we just deal with it for what it is.

    Finally the charges have been delivered or more accurately announced to the senate. Actuall delivery is Thursday at 2 ET. Parnas has released some rather explosive documents implicating every body and his mama in the Ukraine shakedown scheme. They even got Rudy's letter to Zelenskyi from last May. Stuff is getting really deep here folks.

    I heard Moscow Mitch doesn't have the votes to just dismiss this thing fro the start.
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    #527

    Jan 15, 2020, 07:35 PM
    That's not a rule, it's the acceptance of the reality that the deed has been done so we just deal with it for what it is.
    Why don't you do that for Trump, or does that just apply to liberal dems?

    Finally the charges have been delivered or more accurately announced to the senate. Actuall delivery is Thursday at 2 ET. Parnas has released some rather explosive documents implicating every body and his mama in the Ukraine shakedown scheme. They even got Rudy's letter to Zelenskyi from last May. Stuff is getting really deep here folks.
    Yep. Now if they can just come up with some evidence such as, for instance, the name of even one witness with first hand evidence of a crime.
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    Jan 15, 2020, 08:20 PM
    Quote Originally Posted by jlisenbe View Post
    Yep. Now if they can just come up with some evidence such as, for instance, the name of even one witness with first hand evidence of a crime.
    John Bolton
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    Jan 15, 2020, 08:24 PM
    Quote Originally Posted by jlisenbe View Post
    Why don't you do that for Trump, or does that just apply to liberal dems?
    I can do nothing for the dufus. I'm watching like everybody else what's going on.

    Yep. Now if they can just come up with some evidence such as, for instance, the name of even one witness with first hand evidence of a crime.
    Doesn't work that way. I think the evidence is overwhelming and been saying so since the Mueller Report. As it stands now we all just watch and if the words of Lev Parnas can be checked and verified the dufus might not be the only head to roll and I would love to hear what John Bolton has to say. The dems have a list ready to go and that's good enough for me.

    Get your popcorn and apple fritters and kick back and enjoy the show.
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    Jan 16, 2020, 04:16 AM
    John Bolton
    Another of your phantom witnesses.

    Doesn't work that way. I think the evidence is overwhelming and been saying so since the Mueller Report.
    Now if you could just get Mueller to agree with you, you'd have the beginnings of a case.
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    #531

    Jan 16, 2020, 04:33 AM
    In the meantime, China pledges to buy $200 billion Of American goods under phase one of a trade deal. And I know you are going to say that Obama is really responsible for all of this.

    Seems to be proof positive that the Chinese are already convinced that Trump will win a second term.

    https://www.forbes.com/sites/sergeik...g#42ae804738bb
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    Jan 16, 2020, 05:25 AM
    It is entirely IRONIC that the left, who widely condemned John Bolton as a lunatic SOB for years and years, protested and contested his appointments, etc., is now holding up the same JOHN BOLTON, the same NEOCON, as the potential SAVIOR THAT WILL FINALLY "GET" TRUMP! So disingenuous of the left but we have come to expect this from the left: Remember when the darling of the left of the time, Joseph Stalin, signed "The Pact Of Steel" with Nazi Germany? Somehow the left contrived that as being a good thing, too, because they had to support their boy Uncle Joe!
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    #533

    Jan 16, 2020, 06:33 AM
    We don't know what that right wing hardliner will say, but an open mind wants to hear it. The truth is the truth and has nothing to do with him saving our bacon. That's what investigations are about. Amazing how you accuse the left of such brainless conduct while you righties elect a lying cheating dufus who has been hiding his affairs, tax returns, and witnesses, and are okay with that. Now that's pretty ironic too!
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    #534

    Jan 16, 2020, 10:59 AM
    Talaniman: Got nothing for Bolton.....and would have trouble believing anything he says because he is a vindictive, as you would call him, "Right Wing Loon" (stole that one from you!).I don't see evidence of Trump lying, though....as far as his tax returns, why does that matter? What statue says he has to show his tax returns? What is the driving force behind the tax return dilemma? Trump doesn't need to steal: He's a billionaire.

    There is a lot going on now with scrutinizing Nancy Pelosi and her wealth: We know what she makes but her assets are way disproportional to her acquired wealth: How did she amass such fortunes?
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    Jan 16, 2020, 11:36 AM
    You could say that about anybody in government Vac, but we could always examine their tax returns to find out how they make their money if indeed we have them available. Glad you trust the dufus, but I'm a trust but verify kind of guy myself, especially when it involves someone who has lied, cheated, and stolen before. I would hate to find out the dufus makes decisions based on enriching himself, or is in hock big time to some nefarious character. You know just in the interest of transparency and confirmation of a modicum of honesty. Seems that should be required of anyone who aspires to the WH, and baffling why righties don't seem to mind he does not disclose his. Maybe we should have a law just for our own due diligence.

    No secret where Pelosi makes her money and a simple google search reveals her sources.
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    #536

    Jan 16, 2020, 11:43 PM
    Quote Originally Posted by jlisenbe View Post
    In the meantime, China pledges to buy $200 billion Of American goods under phase one of a trade deal. And I know you are going to say that Obama is really responsible for all of this.

    Seems to be proof positive that the Chinese are already convinced that Trump will win a second term.

    https://www.forbes.com/sites/sergeik...g#42ae804738bb
    There he goes again beggaring his neighbours, I can expect who's pocket that will come out of and it won't be the Chinese
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    #537

    Jan 17, 2020, 03:25 AM
    Beats more tarrifs and an escalation in tensions, but we have a ways to go before we reach pre tarrif levels. Better than nothing at this point.
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    #538

    Jan 17, 2020, 05:25 AM
    The more tied to the U.S. China becomes, the more neutered they become. The ChiComs have become a quasi-capitalist society and the people yearn for more wealth and the goodies that come with it: The ChiComs don't really want to upset the apple cart too much: Expect the bastards to tone down their South China Sea excursions.
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    #539

    Jan 17, 2020, 05:28 AM
    How do you tone down an island? I expect the Chinese have their bases and will continue to expand their land mass, soon the South China Sea will be the inland sea of China
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    #540

    Jan 17, 2020, 06:00 AM
    but we have a ways to go before we reach pre tarrif levels.
    Levels of what?

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