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    Jun 27, 2019, 08:05 AM
    Entitlement is a huge reason my job is so difficult these days. Boy has education changed during my career! Many of today’s kiddos have never heard the word “no.”
    Always nice to hear from a fellow educator. I put in 34 years and retired about two years ago. Spent ten years in inner city schools. Spent 5 years at an American Indian school. Had basically a good experience, but I can see that what you are saying is true. A general lack of respect for authority is at the root of the problem. Too many kids raised with no father around.
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    Jun 27, 2019, 12:36 PM
    From Candace Owens :
    I decided to stage a photoshoot just like @AOC
    !Except I’m outside of an inner-city school where the conditions are abhorrent and the majority of black AMERICAN boys can’t pass a basic reading exam.Maybe the liberal media will give this epidemic some attention now?
    https://twitter.com/RealCandaceO/sta...dIQ7igRzad-mvk

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    Jun 27, 2019, 12:39 PM
    The tragedy and scandal of the neglect of inner city school performance should be a national story, but they cannot attach that to Trump, so it goes unnoticed.
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    #64

    Jun 27, 2019, 12:52 PM
    Yes racism predates the dufus but he is a racist nonetheless. To easy to direct money to one zip code and not others.
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    Jun 27, 2019, 01:32 PM
    Yes racism predates the dufus but he is a racist nonetheless.
    As the only one here who has actually worked in inner city schools (10 years), I'll tell you right now that racism is far from being the big problem in those schools. It's not even a close second or third.

    And as I said above, every problem known to man has to have some connection to Trump in the eyes of most liberals. If we could just get Trump to stop causing Dak Prescott's receivers to drop passes, no doubt because he is a racist, then the Cowboys would win the Super Bowl.
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    Jun 27, 2019, 01:45 PM
    You have observed the effects of systemic institutional racism and don't have a clue what you were seeing after 10 years? That's a sad commentary to your awareness. What inner city did you experience so that I may ask questions. Region or state is fine. Don't say Missisippi because we all know that racism doesn't exist there....>SARCASM FONT set to dripping<
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    Jun 27, 2019, 01:53 PM
    You have observed the effects of systemic institutional racism and don't have a clue what you were seeing after 10 years? That's a sad commentary to your awareness.
    More a sad commentary to your incredible belief that you can know what is going on in schools that you have never been to. Some people are so indoctrinated with the idea that everything is due to racism that they cannot think outside of that box. I wonder if that describes you.

    I was there. I'll stand on my comment and question yours until you can say you have been there as well. I worked with many black professionals in those schools. I never heard a single one attribute the school's problems to racism. They knew because they were there. You don't because you weren't. Sorry, but that's just how it is.
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    Jun 27, 2019, 01:59 PM
    Yes racism predates the dufus
    and yet the decline of the inner city schools coincides with socialist leaning Democrat governance of inner cities .
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    Jun 27, 2019, 02:03 PM
    socialist leaning Democrat governance of inner cities .
    Maybe they are all a bunch of Trump-loving, racists.
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    Jun 27, 2019, 02:10 PM
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    and yet the decline of the inner city schools coincides with socialist leaning Democrat governance of inner cities .
    My observation is it has always been a process of defunding, and redirecting resources. Dems aren't socialists and that label is but the latest campaign to draw votes from the dems. Good luck, since after seeing the diversity growing in the dem camp, it becomes a matter of turnout. I give it to repubs though as they have compensated their failing numbers with some interesting and effective voting tricks.
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    Jun 27, 2019, 02:18 PM
    My observation is it has always been a process of defunding, and redirecting resources.
    We had plenty of money. Funding would not have even made the top five list of our problems.

    Dems aren't socialists and that label is but the latest campaign to draw votes from the dems.
    Still, even if that is true, you haven't explained the connection between failing schools and democrat mayors and city councils. If dems are so smart, the why have they not solved the problems of failing schools?

    Now to be fair, I don't see mayors and city councils as being our primary problem. It is a much more simple problem than that.
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    Jun 27, 2019, 02:20 PM
    defunding ? Nah they collect a fortune in property taxes in NY for the purpose of funding schools . I have a very small property and pay $1200 a month in property taxes . You could build the schools with gold bricks for all the money that goes into the schools .And a good percentage of the taxes I pay are ear marked for schools other than in my district . It's not the teachers .They try .But I do call out the unholy alliance between the teacher's unions and the elected officials ;mostly because they stand in the way of necessary reform.
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    Jun 27, 2019, 02:26 PM
    defunding ? Nah they collect a fortune in property taxes in NY for the purpose of funding schools .
    You need to make up your mind. One post earlier you said, "My observation is it has always been a process of defunding, and redirecting resources." So which way is it?

    But I do call out the unholy alliance between the teacher's unions and the elected officials ;mostly because they stand in the way of necessary reform.
    That is a factor to be sure, but still a long ways from being number one. There are many outstanding schools which have a unionized staff.

    What reforms are you speaking of?
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    Jun 27, 2019, 02:32 PM
    those were my comments . necessary reforms like charter schools which were working great until comrade Sandinista Bill with the backing of the unions suppressed them btw I said I do not blame the teachers unionized or not . It's the union leadership that fails .
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    Jun 27, 2019, 02:42 PM
    Whoops!! My apologies. I had been messaging with Tal and, seeing the "T", just assumed it was him.

    As to reforms, it is really tough to take the approach that we have to keep all the students in school, no matter how they behave. There are many schools where most of the kids want to learn and have a good school, but a relatively small minority of thugs and problem students keep the school in such turmoil that progress is really tough. I don't see any easy solutions. Charter schools can be one avenue to try. Privatization is another option worth looking at. A revival of true family values would be enormously helpful. And yes, the unions are sometimes a significant problem.
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    Jun 27, 2019, 02:55 PM
    My wife was a teacher in one of the high schools where problem students were 'dumped ' . It was really quite a challenge but at least they were separated from the students who's education would've been compromised by teachers having to constantly address behavioral issues
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    Jun 27, 2019, 03:12 PM
    It was really quite a challenge but at least they were separated from the students who's education would've been compromised by teachers having to constantly address behavioral issues.
    She should have gotten hazardous pay.
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    Jun 27, 2019, 03:18 PM
    agreed I was concerned ,but she didn't mind the occasional breaking up a fight.
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    #79

    Jun 27, 2019, 05:20 PM
    I’m not going to argue with anyone about their experience in inner city schools. I’m a public school teacher in an area considered impoverished. I’ve taught in that area for more than 20 years. What I can say is that each school has its own environment. My current school is public, but we are a school of choice. That means parents must transport their child to school personally. We require uniforms and have very high expectations. Our test scores are amazing and our teachers are top-notch. The wait list is huge. I have never worked so hard in my life, but the rewards are wonderful. So, what I’m trying to say is that if a parent wants a better education for their child, it’s worth looking outside their neighborhood school. Ask most teachers if they pay for their health insurance and they’ll say they do. Presidential candidates take note!
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    Jun 27, 2019, 05:27 PM
    Choice is a good thing. That is being denied to too many parents. and teacherjenn4 ;I applaud your tireless efforts .

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