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    Jun 25, 2019, 10:20 AM
    I am grateful for being able to pay for my kidsí educations. I am a public school teacher and saved every cent I could to give them a better life than I had. I will be staying long past retirement age to guarantee that I have enough savings. By the way, I was a single parent.
    That's a pretty remarkable account. I tip my hat to you. Now, if Bernie has his way, you will be able to participate in sending other kids to college. Oh boy.
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    Jun 25, 2019, 07:51 PM
    Quote Originally Posted by jlisenbe View Post
    That's a pretty remarkable account. I tip my hat to you. Now, if Bernie has his way, you will be able to participate in sending other kids to college. Oh boy.
    . I’m not a fan of the empty promises. We shall see who prevails....
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    Jun 25, 2019, 08:10 PM
    Empty promises is all you will get from Demonrat socialists
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    Jun 26, 2019, 01:03 AM
    Empty promises is all you will get from Demonrat socialists
    Not always. Remember Obamacare. One promise that they kept, unfortunately.
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    Jun 26, 2019, 03:11 AM
    Quote Originally Posted by jlisenbe View Post
    Not always. Remember Obamacare. One promise that they kept, unfortunately.
    Typical conservative attitude. Anything to help poor people (Or the average person for that matter) is bad. That's a promise you guys are always consistent with. Repubs made it a theme for years REPEAL, even shut the government down over it, then it was repeal and replace, and we know how that worked out.

    The dufus promised BETTER, where is it?
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    Jun 26, 2019, 04:22 AM
    The dufus promised BETTER, where is it?
    For once I agree with you.

    Anything to help poor people (Or the average person for that matter)
    Yeah, as long as liberals can get other people to pay for it, they're all for it.
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    Jun 26, 2019, 06:00 AM
    Not other people, as you are so fond of saying which is as ill informed as it gets, but ALL of us as a collective through consensus and compromise. That's how problems are solved and solutions rendered over time. Liberals and conservatives and everyone in between. That's what our society is built on. That's what makes us great.
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    Jun 26, 2019, 06:18 AM
    Not other people, as you are so fond of saying which is as ill informed as it gets, but ALL of us as a collective through consensus and compromise
    For about the twentieth time, that is not true. About 10% of income earners in America pay well over 2/3 of income taxes. The bottom half pay next to nothing, so it is easy for them to vote for those who promise to give them the moon since it doesn't cost them anything. It's easy for me to say we should help the xxxxxx when it is not going to cost me very much. That's why I always say, show me what you are doing with your own personal giving if you want to make an impression.
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    Jun 26, 2019, 06:42 AM
    That's the problem, you think I must impress you! You should rethink that my FACT deprived friend. Even what you have presented is but EVIDENCE of the artificial nature of POVERTY. My solution is a better CIRCULATION of the money instead of hoarding by the few. That's the start of my economic business model. Its an ill informed distraction to count who pays the most taxes as a value for other than PROOF of the creation of poverty bt man himself.
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    Jun 26, 2019, 03:11 PM
    Quote Originally Posted by talaniman View Post
    That's the problem, you think I must impress you! You should rethink that my FACT deprived friend. Even what you have presented is but EVIDENCE of the artificial nature of POVERTY. My solution is a better CIRCULATION of the money instead of hoarding by the few. That's the start of my economic business model. Its an ill informed distraction to count who pays the most taxes as a value for other than PROOF of the creation of poverty bt man himself.
    another line in the socialist manifesto. Take from the rich and give to the poor, so you are a modern day Robber Hood, deciding how others should spend their money and yet your nation is built on the accumulation of wealth. Do you really want to be at the level of the lowest denominator?
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    Jun 26, 2019, 03:38 PM
    When A wants to force B to help C, then you have a liberal policy. The terrible thing is that A then wants to feel morally superior to both B and C.

    Its an ill informed distraction to count who pays the most taxes as a value for other than PROOF of the creation of poverty bt man himself.
    What???
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    Jun 26, 2019, 04:27 PM
    I paid off my student loan . I want a refund . What does Bernie say to the athletes who had to bust their butts and do all types of sacrifices to qualify for scholarships to go to the schools ? They get up early for practice ;have to keep their bodies in top shape because the competition for these scholarships is intense . Depending on the sport ,they are putting their bodies on the line playing the sport without pay while the school reaps in the profits from a successful athletic program. Now that athlete finds out that their roomies who's only concern is passing and being able to attend the next kegger is going to get a free pass ?
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    #33

    Jun 26, 2019, 04:52 PM
    Votes. All about votes.
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    Jun 26, 2019, 06:35 PM
    Quote Originally Posted by paraclete View Post
    another line in the socialist manifesto. Take from the rich and give to the poor, so you are a modern day Robber Hood, deciding how others should spend their money and yet your nation is built on the accumulation of wealth. Do you really want to be at the level of the lowest denominator?
    Naw, that's a bit dramatic. I prefer to recognize that the real work is done by ordinary grunts who take a shower everyday after a hard days work. Not the guy who takes the credit, and the profits. Ordinary people don't tank the economy, rich guys do. Who pays for that? They don't, YOU do. Wall Street gets bail outs, and huge deficit funded tax breaks, and free passes out of jail, while you get nothing, but bankruptcy and laid off. They buy elections and candidates you elect. You get nasty water and air. Plants close and towns die, because they build the new plants where the labor is cheap and NO benefits. Please spare me the socialist crap, I just want FAIR. I need a raise! Not some geopolitical slogan!

    Quote Originally Posted by jlisenbe View Post
    When A wants to force B to help C, then you have a liberal policy. The terrible thing is that A then wants to feel morally superior to both B and C.



    What???
    Take that up with the liberals in your state who decides what's done with your money in a state that takes more than they pay in. Sorry you don't understand how that works while you blaming everybody else.

    Quote Originally Posted by jlisenbe View Post
    Votes. All about votes.
    It's all about the money because last I checked the most votes doesn't always deliver the right person as far as a prez is concerned. Talk to Vlad about that. I heard he voted too!
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    Jun 26, 2019, 06:41 PM
    It's all about the money because last I checked the most votes doesn't always deliver the right person as far as a prez is concerned. Talk to Vlad about that. I heard he voted too!
    If you are carrying 40K of college debt, guess who you're going to be tempted to vote for?
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    #36

    Jun 26, 2019, 07:03 PM
    So what? Repubs voted for the dufus for whatever reason, so the dems can do the same can't we? Of course we can and will!
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    Jun 26, 2019, 07:08 PM
    So what? Repubs voted for the dufus for whatever reason, so the dems can do the same can't we? Of course we can and will!
    Yes, except we were talking about...oh never mind.
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    Jun 26, 2019, 07:42 PM
    It is all a fallacy, education is an industry, supposedly churning out knowledgable cannon fodder for other industries but in reality just keeping the young off the streets. How better to maintain the slave population than to indebt them. Remember centuries ago there was indentured labour, the system hasn't changed only the path to ruin. So Burnie wants to make the government pay for the system, freeing the slaves. Admirable, but in the political system you have unlikely to be implemented
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    Jun 26, 2019, 08:04 PM
    Quote Originally Posted by jlisenbe View Post
    Yes, except we were talking about...oh never mind.
    We were talking about Bernie and his free education plan, but I must note yet again he is but one of many seeking the nomination and they all have ideas to attract dems to vote for them. Its a big field and kind of early.

    Quote Originally Posted by paraclete View Post
    It is all a fallacy, education is an industry, supposedly churning out knowledgable cannon fodder for other industries but in reality just keeping the young off the streets. How better to maintain the slave population than to indebt them. Remember centuries ago there was indentured labour, the system hasn't changed only the path to ruin. So Burnie wants to make the government pay for the system, freeing the slaves. Admirable, but in the political system you have unlikely to be implemented
    I kind of agree with you Clete, this whole capitalist economy deal is a big hustle, but it's the only hustle in town. Even in YOUR town.
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    Jun 26, 2019, 09:12 PM
    Quote Originally Posted by talaniman View Post


    I kind of agree with you Clete, this whole capitalist economy deal is a big hustle, but it's the only hustle in town. Even in YOUR town.
    Yes in my town which is a university town and regional education hub, and the capitalist economy is strong here too, but without the Razz-a-ma-tazz you have to endure. Noone talks of having to make this place great, it is a given, we don't need tariffs to protect us from the big bad Chinese but a few to protect us from the voracious americans might be needed. They have tried to dismantle our industries and succeeded in removing the automotive industry among others. But Drought will accomplish what they cannot

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