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    Jun 13, 2019, 08:37 AM
    Trump would look at dirt about opponent from foreign sources Oh the outrage !
    https://www.npr.org/2019/06/12/73218...nk-i-d-take-it


    To be clear Evita hired through a 3rd party law firm to get oppo research on Trump from a British agent who gathered the intel from alleged Russian sources close to the Kremlin.

    as opposed to a Russian lawyer who was working as a foreign agent to repeal the Magnisky act used false pretenses to get a meeting at Trump Tower with Trump JR and Jared Kushner . When they found out that she arranged the meeting under false premises they ended the meeting .

    You see the problem is that he would accept the info for free.
    Had he said he would pay for dirt from foreign government sources on his opponent there would be no issues ........right ?
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    Jun 13, 2019, 11:36 AM
    Wrong! The clear difference is it's not illegal to HIRE a foreign entity for goods or services, but it is patently illegal to conspire with a foreign entity to subvert the interests of the US. The dufus was also warned as a candidate of outreach by foreign governnments but he ignored the warning and failed to report the contact, and worse LIED about it.

    This isn't a subtle difference, its a huge one, and even saying the FBI is wrong to point out the importance of reporting such contacts is nothing short of willful disobedience of law and total disregard for the very reasons for the law itself and opens the door for MORE such contacts. Is that his signal to Vlad he needs more assistance to get re elected? Some could argue it does, despite his sycophants trying to parse his comments and make them acceptable, because it's NOT.

    Saying everybody does it is an even more egregious lie in of itself.
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    Jun 13, 2019, 12:28 PM
    So if you are going to acquire dirt on your opponent from a foreign source, the primary thing is to make sure you pay for it?
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    Jun 13, 2019, 01:25 PM
    So if you are going to acquire dirt on your opponent from a foreign source, the primary thing is to make sure you pay for it?
    The difference between the Trump and Evita's campaigns’ willingness to take dirt on its opponent is that Evita went through with it and paid for it.

    This wasn't conspiracy anyway ;at least not by the Trumpsters . Even Mueller said that .

    Trump Jr was APPROACHED by Veselnitskaya , who said she had dirt on Evita .There was nothing that indicated she was working for the Kremlin. She was here by permission of the emperor's regime to lobby against the Magnitsky act (she
    got a special temp visa approved by Loretta Lynch to even be in the USA )
    AND she had worked for and in cooperation with Fusion GPS ,and was a client of Glenn Simpson .

    This was a meeting set up by Glenn Simpson She publicly admitted that she used talking points at the meeting that were developed by Simpson.

    https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news...-trump-n819526

    Simpson later testified that he had no knowledge of the meeting with Donald Trump Jr. and others until it was reported a year later. That was a complete lie .He testified that he had dinner with Veselnitskaya the night before the meeting and the night after.
    The charge that Trump was working closely with Putin is comical . If that were so then why did Simpson arrange to have a 3rd party ,British music publicist Rob Goldstone help arrange the meeting in Trump Tower ?
    Why would the Kremlin needed a British music publicist to make an overture.?.and why would they send a Russian lawyer who didn’t speak English to Trump Tower? That tends to confirm that the meeting was intended as a setup.
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    Jun 13, 2019, 02:22 PM
    You need to bear in mind that ever since the Kavanaugh hearing, the need for evidence has become minimal.
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    Jun 13, 2019, 08:10 PM
    I have no doubt it was a set up, but that's more the reason to report it to the FBI like the director said in May hearings, and every repub is saying now when asked. Even Lindsay Graham. You wonder why I call him a dufus? So did Mueller which was why he didn't charge dufus Jr., even though I thought ignorance of the law is no excuse!

    Even Vlad is backtracking from the liar in chief, and you better watch faux news before you keep posting right wing talking points, and catch up to the latest dufus WH scandals with Choi and Conway.
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    Jun 13, 2019, 08:17 PM
    Trump went public today with his law-breaking approval of foreign nations interfering in US elections. His republican toadies disagreed when interviewed by TV reporters but notably blocked Democratic proposal to amend the law to require mandatory reporting to the FBI if and when it occurs. Trump's signal to Russia that 2020 election interference will be welcomed - a sign of growing desperation by a person who took a solemn oath to uphold the law of the land.

    Trump, a self-proclaimed genius, twittered today about his meeting with the Prince of Whales (sic) Hard to believe, but true. Sarah Sanders, the non-press-secretary press secretary who hasn't held a press briefing in three months, announced her resignation.
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    Jun 14, 2019, 08:33 AM
    Even Vlad is backtracking from the liar in chief,

    He should because Trump has road blocked Putie at every step ;as I predicted he would.

    and catch up to the latest dufus WH scandals with Choi and Conway.
    yawn The press asked her her opinion about Dems running in 2020 and she gave her opinion. I'm not clear about all the details of the Hatch act but it would seem very strange to me that a political appointee is not allowed to have an opinion of any kind once in the White House.

    It also reeks of hypocrisy by the office of special council .You telling me that none of the Obots ever voiced their opinions ? Valerie Jarrett? Ben Rhodes ? Or maybe it's just that they can have opinions but not express them ? Conway giving her opinion was NOT politicking .

    Julian Castro had the same charge against him in 2016 . Did the emperor fire him ? He held a far more important position in the administration(HUD) than Conway does.

    It is much better for us to know what these people think and who they support or not . As an example ; Anita Dunn was an advisor to the emperor . Her admiration for Mao Zedong was something the public really needs to know. The way the Hatch act is being applied here is just another tool of the left to control this White House . Should leftist activists be allowed to control who Trump can have as advisors, using the Hatch Act to pick them off one by one, every time one of them says what they actually think ? If Kellyanne goes, they'll go after anyone who's effective.

    Sarah Sanders, the non-press-secretary press secretary who hasn't held a press briefing in three months, announced her resignation.
    Most press secretaries end up resigning after a very short stint. It must be a very tough ,demanding ,taxing job.
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    Jun 14, 2019, 08:40 AM
    A note about Henry Kerner ; Special Counsel for the United States Office of Special Counsel. He was a Staff Director for John McCain . You know how much McCain and Trump hated each other . While he was on the McCain staff he urged IRS' Steve Miller and Louis Lerner to target conservative groups . So you know where he's coming from.

    hmmm when Peter Strozk, Lisa Page were texting back and forth about their hatred of Trump ,were they violating the Hatch Act ?
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    Jun 14, 2019, 10:32 AM
    a sign of growing desperation
    Is this just wishful thinking or what? I don't see it.
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    Jun 14, 2019, 10:34 AM
    So Kellyanne can voice her opinion on camera, but Strozk and Paige can't express themselves in private to each other? Got ya! What a double standard that is. Who appointed the guy who sent the letter to fire Conway in the first place? YUP your dufus. Of course he won't fire her. This is just more chaos that has become the trademark of modern politics, enhanced by the silly season that never seems to end. At least the dufus walked back his latest crazy utterance but doesn't change what he did to cover up the illegality of what his son did, or failure to disclose it, or change the lies about the NUMEROUS contacts with Russia or the lies to cover those up before he was the president.

    Drag 'em all before the public this summer. I got plenty of popcorn.
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    Jun 14, 2019, 11:02 AM
    the question about Strozk and Paige is ,was their conversation a conspiracy to stage a coup against the elected President ? A lot of their conversation was 'Trump sucks ' ;and that was ok . But when they were talking about having 'insurance policies in case Trump was elected, that could be easily be interpreted as colluding to remove the President . They were in a position to take action ;and they did . So that was not a matter of them being able to express themselves .
    But according to the standards being applied to Conway ;yes they should've been charged with Hatch Act violations . Their texts not only attacked Trump but also others including Bernie Sanders, Eric Holder, and Paul Ryan. If you are not allowed to express political thoughts in word ,text ,or twitter as a condition of being an executive dept employee then there are thousands of others who should frog march.
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    Jun 14, 2019, 11:15 AM
    Some of you bring up hatred as a factor in ones response. Nobody has shown hatred for the Dems (on this site). The hate is all you.

    Aside from all the lies and Corruption, that is the WH. We Don't support Trump Cuz we like him. We are so use to Politicians lying that we actually expect it, Trump came along and refused to play the game, so we rewarded him even though we don't like him. Politicians have gotten so PC that we would rather praise someone who embraces the lack of it. We may not agree with Trump, but at least we know he believes what he is saying...unlike politicians, that only say what you want to hear.

    Don't hate the Playa hate the Game.

    Keep the madness alive. Who is winning?
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    Jun 14, 2019, 11:33 AM
    Who did S&P collude with? As I remember, the people you mentioned came into compliance for their violations but of course no such thing as compliance in this WH without an act of congress. We know that won't happen with THIS senate.

    Quote Originally Posted by waltero View Post
    Some of you bring up hatred as a factor in ones response. Nobody has shown hatred for the Dems (on this site). The hate is all you.

    Aside from all the lies and Corruption, that is the WH. We Don't support Trump Cuz we like him. We are so use to Politicians lying that we actually expect it, Trump came along and refused to play the game, so we rewarded him even though we don't like him. Politicians have gotten so PC that we would rather praise someone who embraces the lack of it. We may not agree with Trump, but at least we know he believes what he is saying...unlike politicians, that only say what you want to hear.

    Don't hate the Playa hate the Game.

    Keep the madness alive. Who is winning?
    Conservatives are desperate to slow evolution down and return to the good old days so seem to be winning for now, but your dufus may be overplaying it while he robs us blind and heads to war.
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    Jun 14, 2019, 12:35 PM
    Quote Originally Posted by tomder55 View Post
    Most press secretaries end up resigning after a very short stint. It must be a very tough ,demanding ,taxing job.

    She was a total incompetent and the only talent she had was lying for her master to confirm his lying. She even lied to the FBI and after admitting that soon went back to the same lie again.

    It couldn't have been too tough, demanding or taxing since she didn't show up for three months. Nice job if you can get it.
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    Jun 14, 2019, 03:00 PM
    I partially disagree with you Athos, Sarah Saunders was an excellent mouthpiece for the lying cheating dufus in chief, but had no more credibility than him or anyone else in his criminal cabal he calls an administration. Let's see besides Mattes and Tillerson, everybody else has seemed to leave under a cloud of suspicion and wrong doing and his campaign and transition team are either in jail or on their way. Boggles the mind that any one can reasonably believe the head of this snake has clean hands.
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    Jun 14, 2019, 03:05 PM
    It’s a very high pressure position for anyone, let alone someone with a young family. If it were me I'd hire a real pitbull who takes no flak from the press. Someone like Dan Bongino .Actually Trump does most of his own messaging and Sanders took the abuse from the likes of Jim Acosta .


    But I'll be nice . I nominate Candace Owens to replace her .

    https://www.c-span.org/video/?c47912...pening-remarks
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    Jun 14, 2019, 04:08 PM
    She fits right into this administration.
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    Jun 14, 2019, 06:56 PM
    Yeah, unlike the high character and honest former administration. (sarcasm font turned on)
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    Jun 15, 2019, 05:02 AM
    Trump's signal to Russia that 2020 election interference will be welcomed -
    no actually he said he would take information from Norway. Maybe he should've said Ukraine

    Both the Democratic National Committee as well as Fusion GPS—the company hired by the DNC and the Clinton campaign to research the Trump campaign—were using Ukrainian sources in their efforts to discredit Trump.
    https://www.theepochtimes.com/ties-t...p_2872609.html

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