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    #141

    Aug 6, 2018, 07:33 AM
    Quote Originally Posted by tomder55 View Post
    it is your conclusion that they keep us safe . I think his best achievement to date is the dismantling of costly regulations that serve little or no purpose . He should also look at regulations being enacted by the bureaucracy currently . Yes indeed the swamp creatures still populate the regulatory state . Take this idiotic regulation the FDA is going to enforce about calling soy ,almond or any other non-dairy substitute "milk" .All our lives people who have purchased soy ,almond, coconut milk have known that they were not purchasing dairy milk . Yet the dairy industry successfully lobbied the FDA to make a regulatory ruling that branding those products as "milk" violates some kind of truth in labeling rules . It is a joke that is going to cost the taxpayers in this country $$$$$$$$$$ in enforcement and will burden the makers of these products to change their labeling needlessly . It's cr@p like that that has to be carved out of government one reg at a time. Now some loon may thing the impetus for this is for consumer safety .But we know the real reason behind this .Our country is notorious for making law and never reviewing the effectiveness, or the consequences of the results, or the REAL reasons the decisions were made . Don't believe me ? Ask Al Gore the truth behind ethanol regs .

    https://www.reuters.com/article/us-e...6AL3CN20101122
    The Dufus scrubbing regulations often reveal what an idiot he is.

    https://www.nytimes.com/2016/11/10/b...gulations.html

    https://www.nytimes.com/2016/05/18/b...-millions.html

    Yes it might be more profitable relaxing emission standards, but is it wise for the communities they affect being legally allowed to spew more poison? Maybe the classification of diary is a big deal but I think clean air, water, and land is a bigger one. So lets not confuse regulation that make sense with ones that make more profit but cause more problems for us.
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    #142

    Aug 6, 2018, 08:01 AM
    Quote Originally Posted by talaniman View Post
    Maybe the classification of diary is a big deal but I think clean air, water, and land is a bigger one. So lets not confuse regulation that make sense with ones that make more profit but cause more problems for us.

    That's the point that I think both sides can agree on. Or at least discuss to a compromise. There are regulations, and then there are regulations. I happen to think the almond milk thing is ridiculous and that it is a textbook case of corrupt lobbying. Regulations supporting clean air and water, it seems to me, should be agreed to by all.

    But the problem is deeper. What it's REALLY about is who pays for what regulation. Citizen's United, anyone?
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    #143

    Aug 6, 2018, 08:19 AM
    Lobbying is big business and big bucks. (And big donations and contributions for elected officials). Just ask the NRA. Yeah repeal Citizens United as the first step.
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    #144

    Aug 6, 2018, 09:38 AM
    Yeah because consumers are inherently stupid I guess . Like I said NOBODY buys almond milk and thinks they are buying dairy . Coconut milk has been called coconut milk since it was discovered . But I guess in the nannystate world everything has to be spelled out in big bold letters in crayon.
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    #145

    Aug 6, 2018, 03:06 PM
    Yes Tom the stupid must be protected
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    #146

    Aug 8, 2018, 07:16 AM
    They don't have to be stupid... just unaware. If you read a label it should be accurate, but wingers always make it about regulations when its about special interest. Both sides do it but doesn't make it right, just profitable.
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    #147

    Aug 8, 2018, 11:39 AM
    make sure you wear your government diaper . geeze God save us from the busy body government . I'll say it again NOBODY buys almond milk and thinks they are buying dairy
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    #148

    Aug 8, 2018, 09:44 PM
    Quote Originally Posted by tomder55 View Post
    make sure you wear your government diaper . geeze God save us from the busy body government . I'll say it again NOBODY buys almond milk and thinks they are buying dairy
    Give me that again, what is your constitution but busy body government. People had to be told how to behave, isn't that's what it is about? You can't have it both ways, Tom. Once you put the train in motion, the outcome is inevitable, there will be a train wreck sometime
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    #149

    Aug 9, 2018, 08:50 AM
    Quote Originally Posted by paraclete View Post
    Give me that again, what is your constitution but busy body government. People had to be told how to behave, isn't that's what it is about? You can't have it both ways, Tom. Once you put the train in motion, the outcome is inevitable, there will be a train wreck sometime
    Our train has been in motion, and so has your version, long enough to know that while there are many things allowed, there are boundaries within the LAW. While you speculate outcomes Clete, there remains many possibilities and choices to make and we do that every two years with our vote. Sure we have a train wreck now with The Dufus, but like all train wrecks it to will eventually be cleared and the train can continue.

    Your own government works the same way though less population or diversity of though or consideration. Like us, you have those that endeavor to keep it that way, but here they have a losing battle, even though they haven't been put away permanently. For all the noise they are Americans too, and have RIGHTS.

    I suspect you are on the track for the same outcome no matter how more civilized you may think your society is over mine.
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    #150

    Aug 9, 2018, 11:03 AM
    Obama was and will always be the DUFUS... the man who made Jimmy Carters mess look good. Nobody has managed to do what Trump did for the economy.
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    Aug 9, 2018, 11:46 AM
    Hello Smoothy, your back with your usual broad blanket derogatory statements of non fact. I must admit how much fun I am having using that style blasting the Dufus even though I have FACT on my side which makes it even more fun.

    For example, a deficit funded tax bill for rich guys, and a tariff driven war that hurts Americans more than those tax cuts help, and all that after Obama left him with a growing economy that repubs never leave their democratic successors. Hey man those farmers in Iowa, and factory workers in South Carolina are catching all kinds of hell because of The Dufus. Maybe they can join the new Space Force, or hire out as bagmen for Vlad the REAL president of the US. Oh wait my bad, he is just going to visit the White House, not move in.

    I heard Kim was looking for janitors in his New North Korea beachfront condos, and burger flippers for his McDonald franchise to open in the US Embassy there. Or was that China helping Trump build hotels in Asia. Even heard they didn't mind if The Dufus raises the rent on Trump Towers and Mara Largo as long as the golf carts are still half price.

    You think I ain't enjoying this? Everyday a new scandal.
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    #152

    Aug 9, 2018, 04:53 PM
    You think I ain't enjoying this? Everyday a new scandal.
    So Tal does that make you a scandal monger, by the way Trump needs a space force to look after the space in his head
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    #153

    Aug 9, 2018, 06:00 PM
    Just by commenting on his scandals? Naw I ain't no monger, but how do you ignore his scandals. Mostly his peeps getting caught with their hand in the til. That space force crap sounds like King Reagans star wars idea.
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    #154

    Aug 9, 2018, 07:34 PM
    Quote Originally Posted by talaniman View Post
    Just by commenting on his scandals? Naw I ain't no monger, but how do you ignore his scandals. Mostly his peeps getting caught with their hand in the til. That space force crap sounds like King Reagans star wars idea.
    You already have a space force, so you recycle elements of the air force and NASA and call it a new initiative, just standard politicin'. I don't ignore his scandals, but please, can we talk about what he does today, not what he did long ago. None of us, I'm sure, can stand close scrutiny of everything we have done. Trump obviously has dubious friends, what real estate developer doesn't, he has international reach, so he is going to have history in various places, and interests which will emerge later.

    I would like to see focus on his policies and how well he is doing in implementation, but with obstructive politicians some things don't get done, it is a matter of negotiation
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    #155

    Aug 10, 2018, 09:46 AM
    Under our constitution, the congress is an EQUAL part of the government with the executive and judicial branches. Neither of those two should be lining up to rubber stamp the presidents agenda especially with this conniving wacko in the white house. His cabinet has shown they are corrupt, and his rich elite he has enriched have his ear for policies that benefit them. Don't take my word for it of course but I have LINKS

    https://www.newsweek.com/trumps-mar-...report-1062461

    Same with this space force crap and the Mueller witch hunt he want's desperately to end. He's not even on the ballot in the fall but he sets deadlines that meet his needs... to go away quickly and keep his son out of jail and possibly him too. Naw he wants you to look everywhere but directly at him because like all criminals there is a money trail of wrong doing that leads directly to him.
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    #156

    Aug 10, 2018, 03:24 PM
    Quote Originally Posted by talaniman View Post
    Under our constitution, the congress is an EQUAL part of the government with the executive and judicial branches. Neither of those two should be lining up to rubber stamp the presidents agenda especially with this conniving wacko in the white house. His cabinet has shown they are corrupt, and his rich elite he has enriched have his ear for policies that benefit them. Don't take my word for it of course but I have LINKS

    https://www.newsweek.com/trumps-mar-...report-1062461

    Same with this space force crap and the Mueller witch hunt he want's desperately to end. He's not even on the ballot in the fall but he sets deadlines that meet his needs... to go away quickly and keep his son out of jail and possibly him too. Naw he wants you to look everywhere but directly at him because like all criminals there is a money trail of wrong doing that leads directly to him.
    You want to prosecute him for the money trail, what money trail? You are just projecting again
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    Aug 10, 2018, 09:23 PM
    If he gets prosecuted it will be for crimes he has committed, just like the rest of his circle. Doesn't matter what The Dufus Trumpers are hollering about... they're loony.
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    #158

    Aug 11, 2018, 06:59 AM
    You want him prosecuted for paying off a call girl
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    Aug 11, 2018, 07:14 AM
    Trump thinks he's getting Captain Kirk. What the space force will be is the geek squad in pajamas . We do not need a new military branch . Clete is right that the Air Force and NASA (which hasn't had a mission in years except publishing faulty scientific predetermined conclusions about AGW . ) Any $$$ considered for this should be devoted to having an American based platform for getting out of the atmosphere . It is scandalous that we have to rely on the Russian to send humans to ISS .
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    Aug 11, 2018, 09:38 AM
    Quote Originally Posted by paraclete View Post
    You want him prosecuted for paying off a call girl
    That remains to be seen, after the investigation. Or pending lawsuit by her, on hold because of the investigation. What you think that that's the only investigation or lawsuit against The Dufus? THEY weren't call girls, a playboy bunny and a porn star is what they ARE.

    https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news...ration-n716191

    AND THE BIGGIE,

    https://www.businessinsider.com/fede...lawsuit-2018-7

    Quote Originally Posted by tomder55 View Post
    Trump thinks he's getting Captain Kirk. What the space force will be is the geek squad in pajamas . We do not need a new military branch . Clete is right that the Air Force and NASA (which hasn't had a mission in years except publishing faulty scientific predetermined conclusions about AGW . ) Any $$$ considered for this should be devoted to having an American based platform for getting out of the atmosphere . It is scandalous that we have to rely on the Russian to send humans to ISS .
    You're right it's a cockamamy idea, but AGW is not.

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