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Live blog: NSW bushfires threat 'unparalleled' as conditions worsen - ABC News (Australian Broadcasting Corporation)

Did some one yell fire? We have had some appaulling fires here lately and I know that they occur in other places. This is of special interest to me at the moment because I am about 40 miles west of the biggest and I still have some post traumatic stress about the fire I went through in 1975. These fires are big but not yet the size of the fire that almost destroyed Canberra the national capitol, a few years ago.

I cannot imagine the incrediable stupidity that can go with these fires being started deliberately or through negligence. We have a report the largest fire was started by a military live fire exercise. Who carries out such an exercise in dry conditions in 90 km winds? A true indication of military intelligence. This fire now has a 300 km fire front in inaccessible terrain. A further report that a fire started in trees that an electricity supply authority issued a cut order on. When I was in the electricity supply industry we took fire seriously and did our own cutting and a third started by a cigarette but. However once again the policies of environmentalists and the Greens have been shown derelect as there has been insufficient hazard reduction burning. The aboriginals burned the landscape all the time as both a regrowth management practice and a hazard reduction but we don't have the good sense to know that centuries of knowledge shouldn't be thrown away

If we have to put up with a little smoke and CO2 it is better than having your town blanketed in smoke and having to stay indoors

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However once again the policies of environmentalists and the Greens have been shown derelect as there has been insufficient hazard reduction burning.

Yes ,that is probably the biggest reason for the intensity of some of our fires... basic land management . Good luck . I've been through a lot of natural challenges ,but am lucky to never having had to evacuate due to fire.

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Yes ,that is probably the biggest reason for the intensity of some of our fires... basic land management . Good luck . I've been through a lot of natural challenges ,but am lucky to never having had to evacuate due to fire.

Thanks Tom I think I will be OK, prevaling wind direction, etc but I know some who are in the area and my daughter knows someone who lost their home. I have regularly travelled these regions and and was there as a tourist only a couple of months ago.This whole thing is a travesty of land management, people living with forest up to their door, unmanaged fuel loads and no one takes responsibility and yet we have had five children charged with lighting major fires, one in which a person died. I really cannot understand what is in their minds

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Thanks Tom I think I will be OK, prevaling wind direction, etc but I know some who are in the area and my daughter knows someone who lost their home. I have regularly travelled these regions and and was there as a tourist only a couple of months ago.This whole thing is a travesty of land management, people living with forest up to their door, unmanaged fuel loads and no one takes responsibility and yet we have had five children charged with lighting major fires, one in which a person died. I really cannot understand what is in their minds

Consider this possibility .
Reaction to al Qaeda forest fire arson threat | Wildfire Today

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Consider this possibility .
Reaction to al Qaeda forest fire arson threat | Wildfire Today

I think it unlikely, our muslims don't venture far from the cities, the drop bears would get them. Because these are children who have been charged we can't know their family names but the regions are far from the places where muslims congregate. We have enough firebugs and looneys who do this, not to mention people who use welders and tools and munitions in the wrong conditions without their needing help from terrorists. There was a rather good timberyard fire in western Sydney, now that was in the right place

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Bullsh#t
What I don't like is people attempting to make political capital out of disaster. These fires are not the result of climate change, there were catastrophic bush fires in eastern Australia long before climate change was thought of. The reason they exist is because european settlement discontinued the seasonal burning that controlled them. Some dickhe@d in the UN is attempting to say that they were caused by climate change when they were caused by negligence and deliberate acts of arson

‘Absolutely’ a link between climate change and wildfires, U.N. climate chief Figueres tells Amanpour – Amanpour - CNN.com Blogs

At no time can it be demonstrated that climate change has caused a bush fire in Australia by comparison with some of them these are a minor inconvenience

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bushfir...s_in_Australia

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Eat your heart out america this is the sort of leader you need

Tony Abbott accuses UN official of 'talking through her hat' on climate change - ABC News (Australian Broadcasting Corporation)

Two items here, our PM is prepared to tell a UN official "you are talking through your hat" at the same time he is prepared to contribute personal effort to fight the devastating bush fires

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More bullshlt, this time Yankee bullshlt

Al Gore weighs into debate over links between bushfires and climate change - ABC News (Australian Broadcasting Corporation)

It is obvious that the wankers of the environmental lobby cannot let a good crisis go by. Whether he actually said this or not, this is what the media heard, because they are aching for news and controversy and telling the truth is not in them. I will say it again, there is no evidence that there is a link between the Australian bush fires and climate change other wise I could say that the rain which came to dampen the fires was also the result of climate change, it doesn't rain in the middle of an el nino.

Now what I would like to know is what is Gore doing here? Right at the moment when A; we have the worst fires in a generation in this state? B; the government is about to reverse the disastrous policy of carbon pricing and carbon trading? C; We actually have an economy that is going somewhere that will be wrecked by carbon pricing?

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Trade the emperor for Tony Abbott and a player to be named later (maybe the Goracle ,maybe Evita ) .

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If all you see are the fires and ignore the conditions that make the fires possible, you miss the whole point. We have states that burn here every year, and more that to burn because of draughts or dry conditions. The slightest human mistake and "poof", millions of acres burned, along with homes and people.

But I think what happens in nature for whatever reason, is going to happen, but we humans are always wrapped up in where the money for what's needed is coming from. The whole climate change argument is driven by costs and nobody wants to pay it, so we have all these ideas to address the real issue, the MONEY. Science is driven by MONEY, and so is politics.

Doesn't matter what the climate does, do we humans have the MONEY, to deal with it? Or profit from it? Everything that man does has a price to pay, and nobody wants to pay for it. You will pay to fix it, or pay to keep it. NO way can we even talk about science, and not talk about MONEY in todays world.

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Trade the emperor for Tony Abbott and a player to be named later (maybe the Goracle ,maybe Evita ) .

Yes Tony is a scrapper who would put it to your reluctant representatives, but you cannot compare him to those two, he is is in a completely different politicial spectrum and we wouldn't want them here.

Doesn't matter what the climate does, do we humans have the MONEY, to deal with it? Or profit from it? Everything that man does has a price to pay, and nobody wants to pay for it. You will pay to fix it, or pay to keep it. NO way can we even talk about science, and not talk about MONEY in todays world.

Tal we have the money we just don't want to spend it because the return takes a long time and sometimes there isn't one. The facts are that the climate has been changing for millennia but we have only recently begun to record what is happening and draw conclusions from it. I'm wondering, when we make massive investments in renewal energy and are no longer contributing to climate change, what will we then blame because the wind doesn't blow in the right direction

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The facts are that the climate has been changing for millennia but we have only recently begun to record what is happening and draw conclusions from it. I'm wondering, when we make massive investments in renewal energy and are no longer contributing to climate change, what will we then blame because the wind doesn't blow in the right direction

The only thing constant is change.
That's my other bumper sticker after 'Climate Change Happens " . Humans are much better conservationists today than they were when they were clearing forests to survive (long before the days of the combustion engine.) .
The brush fires will be contained or eventually run out of fuel. Here in the US brush fires are big news as they happen .A year later ,only the locals remember them .

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$359 billion was invested in 2012 to limit global warming. That's almost a $ billion a day . Think about it . How many brush fires could be put out with that ? But of course the fear mongers would like to double down on that "investment " .
Global climate investment flatlines | EurActiv
It's always the same with the left . When confronted with the failures of policies designed to shape the world in their image ,the standard reply is "we didn't spend enough" (of other people's money) .

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The brush fires will be contained or eventually run out of fuel. Here in the US brush fires are big news as they happen .A year later ,only the locals remember them .

Because of the volatility of the Euclypt forests we take a much more proactive view. Unfortunately the Greenies don't like hazard reduction activities and there is a great deal of stupidity regarding the way vegetation is managed by households. Our fires are well remembered. I recall 1979 when I could see the mushroom cloud from the firestorm in the same area that was subject to these fires. You should not think of these fires as brush fires, what we are talking about are forests extending over a vast area of wilderness and the available fuel is virtually limitless. No, we pray for rain because that is the only thing that will put them out

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Doopey EH!

it seems NBC, that hallowed american broadcaster, thinks the whole of Australia is on fire, while that might seem so to the uninformed american media, it isn't even the whole of the Blue Mountains that is on fire. This is a big place, it's bigger than Texas, in fact it is as big as the 48 states. Now if it were Fox, but the Fox owned by an Australian would know better.

American network NBC publishes map showing the whole of Australia is on fire. Oops | News.com.au

To put it in perspective

Map: NSW fire incidents and warnings - ABC News (Australian Broadcasting Corporation)

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NBC is a wholly owned subsidiary of the regime. Follow the dots . NBC's parent company is GE (we bring good things to life... like the total polluting of the Hudson River with PCBs) .GE's CEO is Jeffery Immelt ,a crony to the emperor . At one time the emperor appointed Immelt as his 'jobs czar ' . That was until the emperor decided jobs weren't a priority ,and let the Council on Jobs and Competitiveness Immelt headed disban.
Any way NBC had seriously blurred the lines between journalism and advocacy . No I'm not talking about their cable affiliate MSNBC or CNBC .I'm talking about their major news outlet NBC . Immelt has said that the science surrounding man-caused global warming was "compelling" and that it was only a matter of time before something will be done about carbon emissions. And of course he is a huge advocate of the carbon emission trading scam.
So of course they would sensationalize the news coming out of Australia. After all ,they didn't get much out of the severe hurricane season that was predicted for this year. Wild fires in Aussie is the next best thing . It also acts as a diversion to the major set back in US foreign policy that has been completely ignored in the press here.

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So of course they would sensationalize the news coming out of Australia. After all ,they didn't get much out of the severe hurricane season that was predicted for this year. Wild fires in Aussie is the next best thing . It also acts as a diversion to the major set back in US foreign policy that has been completely ignored in the press here.

We just love the terminology and of course these things attract greenies like a bug to a lantern. I also love the ignorance and the gall that any of them should presume to tell us what to do. I fought fires here before most of them were born and so did my ancestors and the only thing that is certain is you need God on your side

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Doopey, Dooper and Dooppiest

The fact that americans know nothing beyond their borders is a cliché, like geography is not taught in american schools and journalists are not taught to check their facts in those expensive colleges they attend. But guys this is. Getting a little old Do they actually sit around and ask, what can I fuuuuck up today

NBC publishes wacky fire map, then Time magazine thinks Sydney is right near Perth | News.com.au

Now we have been over the ground in this article before but just to Clarify some obvious misconceptions Sydney is not in Western Antartica, Washington is not the capital of the world, a military live fire exercise does not constitute climate change, the opinion of former vice presidents of the USA and UN wankers does not count as truth no matter whose palm they have greased and ego they have stroked. Time magazine was once a reputable journal but you can forget my subscription

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They listen to the Goracle . Again NBC has an agenda that's pretty transparent .

Here is a classic headline... and at least one American source gets it .
Al Gore Throws Another Climate Lie On The Barbie

Climate Fraud Al Gore Blames Australian Brushfires On Climate Change - Investors.com

The inconvenient truth for Gore et al is that wildfires have been decreasing as have been instances of drought that cause them.

"Historical analysis of wildfires around the world shows that since 1950 their numbers have decreased globally by 15%," wrote Bjorn Lomborg of the Copenhagen Consensus Center and the Copenhagen Business School in the Wall Street Journal.

Lomborg also pointed to a study published in Nature in November showing globally that "there has been little change in drought over the past 60 years."

Domestically, the number of wildfires across the U.S. this year is on pace to be the fewest in the past 10 years and the acreage involved is at the second lowest level in that same period, according to an analysis by the National Interagency Fire Center.

The only useful thing Al Gore can do about the Australian bushfires is maybe to grab the business end of a fire hose and try to help put them out.

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the only useful thing Al Gore can do about the Australian bushfires is maybe to grab the business end of a fire hose and try to help put them out.

Yes well they don't make politicians that useful where he comes from, all talk no action, in contrast to our own Prime Minister who got involved and did his bit to help out