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    chalex1980 Posts: 5, Reputation: 1
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    Oct 12, 2013, 01:32 PM
    Help to put deficit in trial balance
    Hi everybody.
    Could you help a beginner to understand next.
    I want to create a balance sheet and a trial balance.
    I don’t have any liabilities, revenues
    Only administrative expenses = $7 000,00
    OWNER'S EQUITY = $10 000,00


    My income statement

    Revenues 0
    Total revenues 0
    Expenses 7 000,00
    Total expenses 7 000,00

    Net income** - 7 000,00

    Then for a balance sheet


    Beginning owner's equity 0
    +Owner's investment 10 000,00
    + Net income** -7 000,00
    Subtotal 3 000,00
    -drawing 0
    Ending owner's equity 3 000,00

    And a Balance sheet

    ASSETS
    ____________________________--
    Cash 3 000,00

    TOTAL ASSETS 3000,00

    LIABILITIES 0
    TOTAL LIABILITIES 0

    Paid-In Capital 10000,00

    Retained Earnings - 7 000,00

    Total Equity 3 000,00
    _________________________________________

    TOTAL LIABILITIES & OWNER EQUITY 3 000,00

    How and where (debit or credit) should I show Retained Earnings - 7 000,00 in Trial balance
    I did in this way but not sure that I am correct.
    Could you help me to understand this

    DEBIT

    Cash 3000,00
    Expenses 7 000, 00
    Retained Earnings Deficit (7000,00)

    Total DEBIT 3 000.00


    СREDIT

    Owner Capital 3 000,00

    Total CREDIT 3 000.00

    or how, why and where I should put this deficit in the trail balance?
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    #2

    Oct 13, 2013, 12:27 AM
    You do not need to put deficit on the trial balance, it will show
    Cash 3,000
    Exps 7,000

    Capital 10,000

    Balance sheet:
    Cash 3,000
    Equity 3,000
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    Oct 13, 2013, 12:58 AM
    Quote Originally Posted by rehmanvohra View Post
    You do not need to put deficit on the trial balance, it will show
    Cash 3,000
    Exps 7,000

    Capital 10,000

    Balance sheet:
    Cash 3,000
    Equity 3,000
    Thank you very much for your answer.
    It was my first time I did it.
    First I did it as you said, but then I found the form of the balance sheet that contained not only the account Equity but these fields

    Paid-In Capital

    Retained Earnings

    Total Equity

    I decided to make it more detailed (I read about this account Retained Earnings and there was a definition that if it has a negative (debit) balance it calls a deficit )
    So I put the data in these 3 fields in the Balance sheet and it lloked logical and fine, but THEN I have found the form of a Trial balance that contained account Retained Earnings too.
    Only on Credit side .
    S even now I don't understand why I can not show this data - 7000.00 in this field.
    In fact I I have this Account and it has such negative balance so it requires (only how?) me to show it in Trial balance or I am wrong?
    I see that the sum of this Account equals Expenses and maybe that is why I should not show it . But for what cases they included this field in the form of Trail balance.

    Could you help me understand it completely?
    + please ,сould you suggest the nice source that shows all aspects (steps) of creating first trial balance then balance sheet.

    Thank you very much
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    Oct 13, 2013, 06:10 AM
    Trial balance is a list of balances appearing in the general ledger. According to your question a trial balance will show:
    DEBITS
    Cash 3,000
    Expenses 7,000
    Total 10,000
    CREDITS
    Paid in capital 10,000
    Retained earnings 0
    Total 10,000

    After preparing a trail balance you would first prepare an income statement, as follows:
    Revenues 0
    Expenses 7,000
    Deficit 7,000

    Now you prepare a balance sheet
    Assets
    Cash 3,000
    Total 3,000
    Liabilities and equity
    Liabilities 0
    Equity
    Paid in capital 10,000
    Retained earnings (7,000)
    Total 3,000

    I do not know which text you are studying from, but I can suggest following website:

    If you need powerpoint slides to make your life easier, please send me your email address.
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    Oct 13, 2013, 06:42 AM
    Principles of Accounting
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    Oct 13, 2013, 07:59 AM
    Quote Originally Posted by rehmanvohra View Post
    Thank you very much for your answers + source.
    It really helped.
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    Oct 13, 2013, 08:00 AM
    Quote Originally Posted by rehmanvohra View Post
    Trial balance is a list of balances appearing in the general ledger. According to your question a trial balance will show:
    DEBITS
    Cash 3,000
    Expenses 7,000
    Total 10,000
    CREDITS
    Paid in capital 10,000
    Retained earnings 0
    Total 10,000

    After preparing a trail balance you would first prepare an income statement, as follows:
    Revenues 0
    Expenses 7,000
    Deficit 7,000

    Now you prepare a balance sheet
    Assets
    Cash 3,000
    Total 3,000
    Liabilities and equity
    Liabilities 0
    Equity
    Paid in capital 10,000
    Retained earnings (7,000)
    Total 3,000

    I do not know which text you are studying from, but I can suggest following website:

    If you need powerpoint slides to make your life easier, please send me your email address.
    Thank you very much.
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    Oct 13, 2013, 08:11 AM
    DEBITS
    Cash 3,000
    Expenses 7,000
    Total 10,000
    CREDITS
    Paid in capital 10,000
    Retained earnings 0
    Total 10,000

    I see you put Retained earnings 0
    Сould you tell me When it is not 0.?
    And I uderstood you correct these Retained earnings are always different for Trail Balance and Balance sheet?

    It is confusing in the next
    It Trial balance we put it as a 0
    but in Balane sheet we put the sum from Income statement.
    When it contains some values in Trial balance?


    Thank you very much
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    Oct 20, 2013, 09:28 PM
    In the trial balance your debits equal 10,000 so your credits must equal 10,000

    When you prepare an income statement your debits and credits will not equal, and the difference will be net income.

    When you prepare the balance sheet the debits and credits will not be equal, and your difference will be net income from the income statement.

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