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    Dec 27, 2012, 12:14 PM
    If you ban kitchen knives only criminals will have kitchen knives
    A team from West Middlesex University Hospital said violent crime is on the increase - and kitchen knives are used in as many as half of all stabbings.

    They argued many assaults are committed impulsively, prompted by alcohol and drugs, and a kitchen knife often makes an all too available weapon.

    The research is published in the British Medical Journal.

    The researchers said there was no reason for long pointed knives to be publicly available at all.

    They consulted 10 top chefs from around the UK, and found such knives have little practical value in the kitchen.
    None of the chefs felt such knives were essential, since the point of a short blade was just as useful when a sharp end was needed.
    BBC NEWS | Health | Doctors' kitchen knives ban call

    I thought I was reading an Onion article. Maybe they will permit all the sheeple to own sporks .
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    Dec 27, 2012, 12:25 PM
    OMG! I have three sporks from KFC. And no training in their use or license to own or carry. Will I get into trouble? The sporks are plastic, if that makes a difference, but they are black, not white.
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    Dec 27, 2012, 12:32 PM
    That plastic spork can be a lethal weapon... or was that the KFC mac and cheese ?
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    Dec 27, 2012, 12:37 PM
    And I have THREE sporks! Have never had the mac and cheese. I always get the slaw and the mashed with gravy plus dark meat only. And no knives.
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    Dec 27, 2012, 12:38 PM
    French laws in the 17th century decreed that the tips of table and street knives be ground smooth.

    A century later, forks and blunt-ended table knives were introduced in the UK in an effort to reduce injuries during arguments in public eating houses.
    How long before they ban grinders?
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    Dec 27, 2012, 12:38 PM
    Have never had the mac and cheese
    You should try it , it is deliciously unhealthy .
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    Dec 27, 2012, 12:41 PM
    Quote Originally Posted by speechlesstx View Post
    How long before they ban grinders?
    Took me a while to remember that other parts of the country call 'heroes' grinders.
    By the way sis appreciates the award .
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    Dec 27, 2012, 12:44 PM
    And don't forget ; a man was once killed with the jawbone of an a$$
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    Dec 27, 2012, 12:52 PM
    Ad be careful when you are camping. Remember Jael in the Bible -- "Jael, Heber's wife, took a tent peg and seized a hammer in her hand, and went secretly to him and drove the peg into his temple, and it went through into the ground; for he was sound asleep and exhausted. So he died. And behold, as Barak pursued Sisera, Jael came out to meet him and said to him, 'Come, and I will show you the man whom you are seeking.' And he entered with her, and behold Sisera was lying dead with the tent peg in his temple.” (Judges 4:36-68)
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    Dec 27, 2012, 01:00 PM
    Quote Originally Posted by tomder55 View Post
    took me a while to remember that other parts of the country call 'heroes' grinders.
    A hero is a different kind of lethal weapon. Something Bloomy should take up I imag8ine.

    by the way sis appreciates the award .
    She earned it.
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    Dec 27, 2012, 02:03 PM
    My kitchen knives are already illegal weapons if carried in public or in a conceiled manner, haven't seen many people injured by knives because they can't have guns although a police officer was recently killed with a knife, I wonder why he didn't draw his gun
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    Dec 27, 2012, 06:02 PM
    Britain has gone too far in the other direction on self-defence issues, a farmer named Tony Martin spent about three years in jail for shooting two thugs on his own property and the gov't actually loaned money to the surviving thug to sue Martin. The thug spent much less time in prison than Martin. Canada is nearly as bad, you hear many situations where people get charged for defending themselves in their own home. There should be automatic immunity from prosecution for anyone who uses force to defend themselves in their own home.
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    Dec 27, 2012, 06:14 PM
    It's all part of the I can do anything I want culture that must be checked, you can't just shoot people who come on your property, or even people you think are a threat, and you can't shoot first and ask questions later
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    Dec 28, 2012, 08:41 AM
    Quote Originally Posted by paraclete View Post
    it's all part of the I can do anything I want culture that must be checked, you can't just shoot people who come on your property, or even people you think are a threat, and you can't shoot first and ask questions later
    I can.
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    Dec 28, 2012, 08:44 AM
    I got my spork from Taco He!! does that make a difference? Am I licensed to carry a spork?
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    Dec 28, 2012, 08:44 AM
    my kitchen knives are already illegal weapons
    That's such a shame.
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    Dec 28, 2012, 07:14 PM
    Some inconvenient truths about knives...
    According to FBI data, in 2007, there were 453 homicides by rifle in the U.S.In 2007, there were 1,817 homicides committed with "knives or cutting instruments"; "blunt objects like clubs, hammers, sporks (?)" killed 674; while "personal weapons (hands, fists, feet, etc.)" were the choices in 869 homicides.

    When added together, knives, blunt instruments and the human body were responsible for more than nine times as many homicides as rifles in 2011.

    Ready to hear charges that the data was cherry picked and therefore irrelevant .
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    Dec 28, 2012, 07:20 PM
    So Tom what you are telling us is that rifles don't kill the 10,000 people who die from gun violence in the US each year, it is hand guns, how about this you get to keep your rifle and we ban all the hand guns?

    You also need to watch your rhetoric, you just jumped from 2007 to 2011 without a blink or providing the statistics to back up your claim
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    Dec 28, 2012, 07:39 PM
    Quote Originally Posted by paraclete View Post
    how about this you get to keep your rifle and we ban all the hand guns?

    So then that means I get to keep my AR and AK? In the other thread, these were evil WMDs, remember?
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    Dec 28, 2012, 09:24 PM
    Well of course they are, but which is the greater evil, the many guns that kill many people or the few guns that kill many people. You see, the debate becomes ridiculous once you start nitpicking the statistics, the reality is the combination of guns and people kill people, but we haven't lost many guns lately, guns don't suicide after killing people

    What I know is this, you ban the hand guns and the statistics on how many people are killed using a rifle will jump, but a rifle is harder to conceil or carry for a ligitimate purpose in public

    In this debate, using Tom's statistics it becomes obvious you have to ban certain classes of edged weapons also

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