[excon]

Hello:

If you view a campaign as a business, and it very much IS, then the community organizer outbusinessman-ed the businessman.. As a country, we're the beneficiaries of that.

The next order of business is to fix the economy. Obama WILL reach agreement with the intransigent GOP. Consequently, he will have FIXED our health care system in his first term, and he will have FIXED our economic system in the second... He's going to go down as one of the BEST.

excon

[tomder55]

Yeah I can see Alinsky style... "pick the target, freeze it, personalize it and polarize it" ,ward type politics is our future. The President proved that a non-stop barrage of negative ads ,funded by the super-PAC's $$ he claims to abhore ,is effective . He proved he could divide and conquer and use identity and class warfare politics successfully .

Conservatives have a lot to learn from his performance.

[NeedKarma]

Conservatives have a lot to learn from his performance.

They INVENTED that performance. Our you living in a bubble? Conservatives have mastered the art of spreading FUD.

[tomder55]

Well if that is true then Romney was not conservative enough. The only time I saw him take the gloves off was in the 1st debate.

[paraclete]

Past Glories, Vain Empty Imaginings, If BO "succeeds" in moving the economy forward it will be because he has dragged the Republicans kicking and screaming to the table under the threat of expiring tax cuts

[speechlesstx]

Let's just what the community organizer's results are. So far he hasn't helped the economy much.

[tomder55]

In the odd chance he "succeeds " it will be because he followed the Clintoon triangulation and left his left wing inclinations in wraps for the nation's good .

[paraclete]

Who cares whose plan he followed as long as he has a plan and it works

[speechlesstx]

"Works" being the operative word. So far it doesn't work.

[excon]

Hello again, Steve:

"Works" being the operative word. So far it doesn't work.

I realize FACTS aren't high on your priority list, but that's why I'M here. You guys just don't have it right.. And, if you DON'T have it right, you'll NEVER fix it. Because what you want to FIX, AIN'T broke.

In fact, it IS working. You SAW the chart I posted... I'll post it again, if you wish. The chart shows that when Obama took office, we were losing 100's of 1,000's of jobs a month. Remember?? We're NOT now. That shows his policy is WORKING.. In fact, now we're ADDING jobs every month and we've been adding them for 43 straight months... That TOO shows his policy is working..

Now, you can call it something else, and I'm sure you will.. But, in the REAL world, it's WORKING...

Excon

[paraclete]

Hey you're right, what they are in denial about is it is their policies that created this situation and now they bleat that someoneelse doesn't have the ability to immediately reverse the effects. They created the greatest recession, depression even, since the great depression and they want instant. Well instant comes with pain and they aren't ready to feel pain. They are lucky BO isn't communist or he would confiscate their wealth and stand them against the wall

[talaniman]

The cart would move faster if we got the dead weight out of it. How do you go forward when the right is pulling us backward?

[paraclete]

I just gave you the solution, in a gun culture I don't know how it is you don't understand this.

Seriously though, it is called consensus, not pulling a Boehner, by saying revenue growth has to come from growth. What is so bad about the Bush tax cuts expiring, then there would be a base to negotiate from. You have one of the least taxed populations in developed countries. Don't look at the rates and say we are higher, look at the effective rate and for someone like Romney to pay 11, or 14%, ridiculous. He is just ripping off the rest of the population. Time to let go of mortgage interest deductions, put a limit on charitable deductions and any other ideas that negate the tax rate

[tomder55]

You could confiscate all the rich money and still not solve the fact that we spend way too much Monopoly money on bloated and inefficent bureaucracies , wasteful programs ,and entitlements .

[paraclete]

Yeah I heard it and reality is, some part of that might be true, you don't seem to have the ability to do anything simply. With fifty states you have massive duplication, but you have to ask yourself, if the founding fathers intended federal government to be small, how did it get so big?

Your military has just run away, it is way bigger than it needs to be, pure paranoia. You want to block entitlements, but which would you block? Only way out is to set caps. You could ditch some of the items, agriculture, energy, etc but they are a mere drop in the bucket. Your government should not be able to overspend its receipts to the massive extent it does $1.3 trillion of discretinary expenditure, perhaps you could kick Pakistan off the teat

[excon]

Hello again, tom:

That's an old right wing argument. We don't think taxing the rich will SOLVE our debt crisis.. It'll just make the tax system FAIRER. That's all. It's really simple. Oh, and while it won't SOLVE our debt crisis, it won't ADD to it like it does now...

You DO know they're causing massive debt for us, don't you? You DO know that we have to borrow from the dreaded CHINA to pay for them, don't you?

excon

[speechlesstx]

The cart would move faster if we got the dead weight out of it. How do you go forward when the right is pulling us backward?

You mean forward like California? Or Texas, where all those California businesses are coming to. Did you know the unemployment rate in Amarillo is under 5%? We've been doing pretty good here in spite of things and we'd appreciate you not dragging us backward.

[tomder55]

So you are not really interested in solving the problem ;just dealing with your perceptions of what is fair ,even with the evidence that increasing tax rates reduces revenues .
I'm all in favor of tax reform . When the Dems can have a serious discussion about that ,then at least the revenue question would be solved .

Short of military cuts ;which by the way I've already said was needed ; what other spending reductions does your side have ? Nothing . In fact ;your side continues to promote even greater spending .

[excon]

Hello again, tom:

I too, have listed things that should be cut.. I BELIEVE that we should live within our means. I also BELIEVE we can DO that WITHOUT sacrificing national security and WITHOUT throwing granny over the cliff.

For starters, in it's most SIMPLISTIC sense, your candidate pointed out the exact way to DO it, too. Now, I'm not going to cite exact numbers here, but when Romney was in Israel, he remarked that they were able to take care of their peoples health care needs, and spend about 10 percentage points of GDP LESS than we do.

Seems to me, that if we did just HALF of what the Israeli's (and the rest of the western world) does, the money left over would pay for ALL the things you wingers say we can't afford.

Now, I realize you folks have ideological reasons you don't want to do that, but it seems to me that you love your country too much to NOT do that...

excon

[paraclete]

Increasing tax rates reduces revenues, I have never heard a more ridiculous argument. I suppose closing loopholes reduces revenue too. Next you will tell us reducing tax rate increase revenue. Look Tom improving the employment position takes a certain number of people out of the loop and reduces expenditure and a little economic growth improves revenue but you need a complete systemic change to improve your debt position. The major items are not those affected by these drivers. Look at your corporate taxes they are a very small part of revenue, that doesn't make sense in the largest economy in the world