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    Sep 29, 2012, 07:56 AM
    Election day mayhem...
    Hello:

    I've asked this before. I guess nobody but ME thinks this scenario is likely. Nonetheless, I'm curious...

    Right now Romney is substantially behind. Right now there's a MAJOR voter suppression effort taking place in 33 states.

    Picture this: Romney wins. That night on YouTube, there's video after video of BLACK and BROWN voters being TURNED away from the polls... Will the people take to the streets?? Will there BE physical confrontations? Will there be RIOTS??

    Am I making up stuff?

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    Sep 29, 2012, 09:26 AM
    Carter at this time had a larger lead against Reagan. You can't go by the polling numbers until the final week .Only then do they make a serious attempt to get it right .
    Here was the Gallup poll 1980 . Note the lead Carter had going into October.




    To answer the rest would be to suspend reality and agree to assumptions written into the fictional scenario that I don't buy into.
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    Sep 29, 2012, 09:31 AM
    Hello again, tom:

    The only thing is, you're comparing Romney to Ronald Reagan. I KNEW Ronald Reagan. He WASN'T a friend of mine, but Romney is no Ronald Reagan...

    You STILL don't address my concerns.

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    Sep 29, 2012, 10:39 AM
    I don't buy into the assumptions .
    1.Romney is substantially behind. He is not .It is a close contest right now.
    2.Right now there's a MAJOR voter suppression effort taking place in 33 states.
    I see no evidence of that ;especially in a majority of the states.
    3. video of BLACK and BROWN voters being TURNED away from the polls... Will the people take to the streets??? Will there BE physical confrontations? Will there be RIOTS??? This is the fantasy part .

    Here's mine. Picture this... Obama in 2008 playing to packed stadiums can now barely get a decent audience at a college gymnasium . In 2008 he attracted a record turn out . But his constituency is so disillusioned at his poor 1st term performance that they are no shows at the polls. Romney wins a close contest; where of course there are allegations of attempted "suppression" by both sides ;(according to a 2009 Pew Center report, more than 1/3of states did not provide military voters stationed abroad enough time to vote ).

    But, the electoral college numbers clearly gives Romney the contest because he takes enough swing states from the Obama 2008 majority to win.
    Now who's fantasy do you think will be closer to reality ?
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    Sep 30, 2012, 06:23 PM
    Yes your making things up. The media is pushing that Obama is ahead. In reality that is likely to suppress the vote for Obama while claiming Romney behind is likely to energize voters to show up at the polls.

    That's my guess as to what is going to happen.
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    Oct 1, 2012, 06:43 AM
    As long you keep spreading the myth that there is a major voter suppression effort I'd say yeah, you're making stuff up. Kind of like WaPO, with the race a dead heat nationally but somehow Obama is killing in swing states.
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    Oct 1, 2012, 07:07 AM
    Quote Originally Posted by speechlesstx View Post
    As long you keep spreading the myth that there is a major voter suppression effort I'd say yeah, you're making stuff up.
    Hello again, Steve:

    If I'm making stuff up, there will be NO videos of people being turned away because they don't have ID. If the courts overturn the voter suppression efforts, and I think they will, my scenario WILL have been made up, and I'll be happy about that.. Obama wins.

    If not, watch out.

    excon
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    Oct 1, 2012, 07:29 AM
    Quote Originally Posted by excon View Post
    Hello again, Steve:

    If I'm making stuff up, there will be NO videos of people being turned away because they don't have ID. If the courts overturn the voter suppression efforts, and I think they will, my scenario WILL have been made up, and I'll be happy about that.. Obama wins.

    If not, watch out.

    excon
    Again, you twist an honest effort at protecting the vote, something even that radical right-winger John Paul Stevens said was a good thing, with suppression. I don't want my vote to count, I don't know why you don't care if yours does or not.
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    Oct 1, 2012, 07:38 AM
    Quote Originally Posted by speechlesstx View Post
    Again, you twist an honest effort at protecting the vote,
    Hello again, Steve:

    If YOUR effort WAS honest, you'd be on the side of making sure that every ELIGIBLE voter HAS the required ID..

    Instead, you call 'em lazy or inept because they don't, won't, or can't afford to overcome the hurdles the state has placed in front of them..

    It's the STATE who's lazy and inept...

    excon

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