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    Jun 14, 2012, 06:51 PM
    Hydrocordone
    I'm a disabled Iraq war vet I had a deadly infection in my thigh and groin while in theater. I'm not a drugie but now and then the pain in my hip gets bad.The VA won't hardly give out narcotics.Monday and Tuesday I had pain and took 3/ 5mg/500mg a total of 6 in 2 days hydrocordones now I have a urine test coming up on Monday so I will be 6 days out since taking my last does willI I pass "it is the only time in the last year I needed to take anything
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    Jun 14, 2012, 07:37 PM
    Quote Originally Posted by Attexman View Post
    I'm a disabled Iraq war vet I had a deadly infection in my thigh and groin while in theater. I'm not a drugie but now and then the pain in my hip gets bad.The VA won't hardly give out narcotics.Monday and tuesday I had pain and took 3/ 5mg/500mg a total of 6 in 2 days hydrocordones now I have a urine test coming up on monday so I will be 6 days out since taking my last does willI I pass "it is the only time in the last year I needed to take anything
    Hydrocodone will not show up in a standard drug screen.

    What is the purpose of the urine test?
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    Jun 14, 2012, 07:57 PM
    random at work
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    Jun 14, 2012, 08:08 PM
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    random at work
    Most workplace testing is for illegal drugs (5 panel) and those will not detect hydrocodone. If you are in a regulated industry (DOT, Federal) that is the only test allowable.

    Even if it was specifically tested for with the low dosage you note it would be eliminated within the 6 days
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    Jun 14, 2012, 08:11 PM
    Quote Originally Posted by DrBill100 View Post
    Most workplace testing is for illegal drugs and those panels will not detect hydrocodone. If you are in a regulated industry (DOT, Federal) that is all that is allowable.

    Even if it was specifically tested for with the low dosage you note it would be eliminated within the 6 days
    I had a buddy got a positive on a couple of davocets after 3 days of stopping on this test
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    Jun 14, 2012, 08:24 PM
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    I had a buddy got a positive on a couple of davocets after 3 days of stopping on this test
    Darvon/Darvocet (propoxyphene/dextropropoxyphene) may stay in a person's system for up to nine days. Believe it's been pulled from market now. It's still surprising that it was detected as it also required a special test.

    Nonetheless, at 6 days, low dose, hydrocodone shouldn't show up even if tested for.
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    Jun 16, 2012, 09:09 AM
    Here is the spread sheet for what they will test for and levels
    IUCSAT Drug-Testing Program will test for the following drugs at the established cut-off levels listed:
    If the U.S. Department of Transportation expands its list of drugs for which testing is required
    Or modifies or adjusts the test thresholds, IUCSAT or the “TPA”, reserves the right to begin testing
    Immediately for those additional drugs and/or any modified testing levels. IUCSAT will notify all participating
    Unions of any modified testing.
    ALCOHOL TESTING
    Drug Screening Levels
    Ng/ml
    Confirmation Levels
    Ng/ml
    Amphetamines 1000
    Amphetamine 500
    Methamphetamine 500
    Cocaine Metabolites 300 150
    PCP-Phencyclidine 25 25
    Opiate Metabolites 2000
    6-Acetylmorphine 10
    Codeine & Morphine 2000
    Extended Opiates (hydrocodone,
    Hydromorphone, oxycodone, oxymorphone)
    300 300
    Marijuana Metabolites
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    Jun 16, 2012, 09:37 AM
    That is a bit confusing. Showing 2 separate cutoffs for Amphetamine, likewise "Codeine & Morphine" are included under Opiate metabolites (both showing 2000). Can work through that but "extended opiates" is not a DOT classification nor is testing for "methamphetamine". Only amphetamine. It is also unusual to see Alcohol Testing (except "for cause") Was this something agreed to through collective bargaining, a union? Are you in a federally regulated industry or does the company just follow DOT guidelines. Just curious. DOT testing disallows testing for some of the substances you note:

    [40.85 - What drugs do laboratories test for

    As a laboratory, you must test for the following five drugs or classes of drugs in a DOT drug test. You must not test "DOT specimens" for any other drugs.]

    However, based on these categories, with emphasis on the extended opiates, if hydrocodone were still in your system it could be detected at 300 ng sometimes. However, since you do not regularly take hydrocodone I don't believe you have any concerns at the 6 day time interval.

    ADDED: I looked up the most recent amendments to DOT testing and it does not deviate from the 5 basic drugs. Therefore there is no regulated test that includes hydrocodone (extended opiates) and therefore no established cutoff. Same is true for methamphetamine. Office of the Secretary, DOT, p. 9, effective 10-1-2010.

    That further confuses me about the inter-mixture of DOT regs with this test. The governing rules and regulations (49 CFR Part 40) can be found here.>LINK
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    Jun 16, 2012, 12:40 PM
    This is for the construction trades but they use the same standards I'm sure all will be fine And thanks for the info Doc.

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