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Texasdfw · Mar 30, 2012, 05:16 PM

I just closed a deal for my company so we all celebrated, I know I shouldn't have drank so lets just keep this to positive remarks, thank you. I have a good metabolism and drank 16 ounces of water each day along with a steak salad each night and B2&B6 Vitamins plus Potassium.

BAC Calc that DrBill posted says my BAC would be .069 once I was done. Dr Bill where are!? Help. I am never doing this again.

Thank you
Texas

DrBill100 · Mar 30, 2012, 05:45 PM

You drank 8 (standard drinks* [SD]) of wine across a 4 hour period with an interval of 56 hours between last drink and test?

I'm coming up with a much different BAC although you reference my previous post in your calculation. Could you clarify for me? There's a mistake somewhere!

* for wine, a SD is 5 ounces=0.6 oz or 13.7 g of pure alcohol.

Texasdfw · Mar 30, 2012, 05:46 PM

Need help from DrBill. No need to hear the downers, just trying to get an honest answer. I know I shouldn't have drank but things pop up like closing the largest deal in our companies history. I will never do it again. Thank you.

BAC Calulator said I was at .069 after I was done drinking.

Thank you DrBill. You are a saint for helping everyone. We all make mistakes and you don't just so I want you to know that I appreciate all of your answers.

-Texas

DrBill100 · Mar 30, 2012, 06:19 PM

I use the calculator that you linked above. Primarily because it differentiates by gender and weight based on the prevalent Widmark formula and because it correlates with past and current research.

Nevertheless I usually double check via the forenoted.

I have checked your consumption v. wt/gender/and time three (3) times with the same result (.1034). You and I are using the same calculator with widely divergent results.

Please clarify. I certainly don't want to provide a link to a resource that provides inconsistent information.

In clarification: I entered 8 drinks > 4 hours > Weight 175 > Male.

I regret putting you to this rigamarole just to answer your question but certainly appreciate your help.

Texasdfw · Mar 30, 2012, 06:38 PM

No no it is fine, I am just glad you are hear to talk. Sorry I put 6 hours in calculator and didn't notice, because really I started at 7pm - 1pm. So that was 6 hours. I should edit my time frame in the Heading.

Texasdfw · Mar 30, 2012, 06:40 PM

I drank 8 glasses of regular 5 ounces level, at 13% Alc per Vol, Sav Blanc.

Texasdfw · Mar 30, 2012, 06:42 PM

7pm - 1am Drinking Time

DrBill100 · Mar 30, 2012, 07:22 PM

Thank you for clearing up that issue.

Drinking time is of importance because EtG is created as EtOH is metabolized. Ergo, EtG elimination is closely related to rate and amount of consumption.

If only we knew the amount of EtG synthesized per unit of EtOH consumed then the result would be calculable.

We do not.

Returning to your concern, my method is to create a beginning point of measurement beginning with drinks consumed > time of consumption > leading to an approximate BAC at cessation of drinking > and comparison to published research.

Based on published research 8 drinks (8/6) should be detectable via EtG testing.

Based on personal experience it probably will not.

Either way you are in a gray zone but the odds are in your favor... that is for false negative... the test will fail to detect real consumption within the stipulated period.

Texasdfw · Mar 30, 2012, 07:52 PM

You are a saint and a scholar Dr Bill and you should be told that every day for what you do to the people in the world with problems. I accept my problem and realize that I need to quit. It is time to get over this addiction. I will no doubt post my results this week when I find out, because I know that it will help you with the next person that is frightened and looking for a voice of reason that is not judgmental. If I do happen to fail, are you open to consultation and expert court testimony? I know that Dr Skipper is from his site. Just thought I would ask. I have downloaded all of the various article that say the EtG test is not perfect, especially the one from the CSAT that you posted.

Texasdfw · Mar 30, 2012, 08:21 PM

I was also wondering if you have ever thought about charting all of the responses that you have gotten over the time that you started responding. In Excel, Age, Sex, Weight, Height, Metabolism, Drinking Level, Start Time, End Time, Duration, Water Drunken Level, Workout Yes/No, Vitamins, Pass/Fail.

DrBill100 · Mar 30, 2012, 08:53 PM

Tex,

I appreciate your recognition of my purpose.

However, let me clarify that Dr. Skipper is not, leastwise to my knowledge, a participant in this site. Dr. Skipper and I disagree on several aspects of the use of EtG testing. His viewpoints are represented here > Ethylglucuronide.

Fundamentally, we both agree that effective treatment of alcoholism (colloquial) is dependent on identification > diagnosis of same.

Dr. Skipper adheres to belief that EtG testing is helpful to that end. I do not. I believe it is counterproductive.

You, for instance, admit to a problem with your personal drinking habits but are able to delay intervention by avoidance of detection by a proven ineffective test.

Shame on us (treatment community) for allowing this charade to continue. Your reaction is symptomatic and absolutely predictable.

Texasdfw · Apr 5, 2012, 12:51 PM

Also ran across from an actual lab that says they can test up to 2 days. Makes the whole 80 hours thing seem bogus. Plus with more and more people that I keep reading, it seems that if you have a solid 48 hours from when you reach a BAC of .00 from your test then you have a pretty good chance. Of course everyone is different, and we never hear from anyone that says they Fail because once that happens you could care less about posting it. So its sort of a double edged sword on information we can find.

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Texasdfw · May 15, 2012, 12:49 PM

Looks like I PASSED!! PO said nothing when I went and had my appointment!! BOOM!! I even went a 2nd time since this posting before responding just in case he wanted to catch me. Whew, so happy and thank you Dr Bill!!

DrBill100 · May 15, 2012, 02:46 PM

Thanks for reporting your results.

I deserve no credit. You can thank the testing laboratory for misrepresenting the capability of this test to your PO. You can thank my friend Dr. Skipper for introducing the test to the US. All I do is provide objective information about the test.

If it were up to me EtG testing would have been pulled from the market in 2006.

bearcreekyfc · Jun 6, 2013, 10:04 AM

Originally Posted by DrBill100

You drank 8 (standard drinks* [SD]) of wine across a 4 hour period with an interval of 56 hours between last drink and test?

I'm coming up with a much different BAC although you reference my previous post in your calculation. Could you clarify for me? There's a mistake somewhere!

* for wine, a SD is 5 ounces=0.6 oz or 13.7 g of pure alcohol.

If 15 oz were consumed by 29 yr old male and EtG test was given 32 hrs later would there still be levels high enough to detect ? I've asked a question with more details separate from this post but I am anxious to find out. Thank you Drbill