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    Dec 28, 2011, 08:05 AM
    Occupy clowns have it wrong again
    Today they say they want to camp out in Iowa and disrupt the Iowa Caucus(s) .
    News from The Associated Press

    But why would they want to camp out in the cold of Iowa when there is a nice warm place with blue skys and clear ocean water to occupy ?

    I make the case that if they want to be heard ;they should do a Cindy Sheehad and camp out by the President's vacation abode . The President's vacation is going to be a $4million check that the US taxpayers are going to foot. Yesterday he set the record for the most rounds of golf by a sitting President
    With this one, Obama reaches a new milestone, having gone golfing 90 times in less than three years as president. That's about three months of golf, given that the excursions generally take about five hours – much of the useful portion of the day.
    Obama Golfs for the 90th Time as President | The Blog on Obama: White House Dossier

    ... this at the same time he did an under the radar request for an additional $1.2 trillion raise in the debt ceiling .

    Yes that would be an interesting contrast... the President in a $3500/night rental representing the 1% elites and the occupiers in LLBean tents .


    Had the occupiers used the Hawaii option ,they could've gotten a twofer . 1 %er Minority leader Madame Mimi Pelosi checked in to the Four Seasons Resort Hualalai on the big Island that costs $10,000 /night for Christmas weekend . The locals shelled out $34,000 for the added security surrounding her visit .
    At least she paid for the room herself ;thanks to a very good year investing on insider information .
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    Dec 28, 2011, 08:47 AM
    The wealth gap between congress and their constituents keeps widening, and at least the "1 percent" they targeted actually create jobs so of course they've been protesting the wrong people all along. And still most of the wealthiest in Congress are Democrats, who stay in those $10,000 a night hotels and park their yachts in other states to avoid paying taxes. But yet the occupiers plan on disrupting the Iowa caucus instead of the president's golf game.
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    Dec 28, 2011, 11:27 AM
    That wouldn't be the same yacht owner who invested
    $200,000 in ResMed, a
    healthcare company ,that had it's value increase by over 70% during the Obamacare debates... while he was a prominent member of the Senate Finance Committee's Health Subcommittee ?
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    Dec 28, 2011, 11:44 AM
    I think it probably would be the very same yacht owner, senator and former presidential candidate.
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    Dec 28, 2011, 01:56 PM
    Sounds like a whole lot of gripe, you create a system where joe ordinary can't get elected for lack of funds then lament that the rich get elected. Where I come from the rich are making too much money to bother thus we pay our politicians more than yours just to attact anyone of note

    The oWs have finally learned that politicians are the target, so a little cold should dampen their ardour after all they probably don't have the price of a ticket to Hawaii. You couldn't be taken seriously occupying Hawaii
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    Dec 28, 2011, 02:42 PM
    Nor will they be taken seriously in Iowa .
    Breitbart.tv Peaceful: Occupy Protester Rushes Stage During Newt Speech

    You just saw one tenth of one percent, all voice no thought
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    Dec 28, 2011, 03:27 PM
    Quote Originally Posted by paraclete View Post
    sounds like a whole lot of gripe, you create a system where joe ordinary can't get elected for lack of funds then lament that the rich get elected.

    Exactly. Sums up the whole thing nicely.

    Tut
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    Dec 28, 2011, 05:04 PM
    And how many of the non-political class gets elected as backbencher MPs ?
    The problem here is not that avg people can't get elected... it's just that they so often get seduced by what is called "Inside the Beltway " culture. (the Beltway is the hiighway system circling Washington DC)
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    Dec 28, 2011, 05:26 PM
    Hello tom:

    You forgot to complain about Michelle Obama taking her own 757 costing the taxpayers zillions... That's a current right wing email..

    excon
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    Dec 28, 2011, 05:47 PM
    Quote Originally Posted by tomder55 View Post
    and how many of the non-political class gets elected as backbencher MPs ?
    What is the non political class? If you are going to get elected you are political, anyone who is not interested in politics need not apply. We have had some very interesting exceptions to the "you need money" rule but you couldn't say any of them were non political.

    I think it is interesting that BO has proven to be a grifter just like all the rest. In it for what he can get out of it
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    Dec 28, 2011, 06:06 PM
    Quote Originally Posted by tomder55 View Post
    and how many of the non-political class gets elected as backbencher MPs ?
    The problem here is not that avg people can't get elected ...it's just that they so often get seduced by what is called "Inside the Beltway " culture. (the Beltway is the hiighway system circling Washington DC)

    Hi Tom,

    I thought that to be a Republican president you have to be a millionaire Texas rancher. To be a Democrat president don't you still need to be a millionaire, but a millionaire of the people?

    All our backbenchers are political, but very few are millionaires.

    Depends what you mean by average. As in average millionaire?

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    Dec 28, 2011, 08:18 PM
    Then you need to check your perceptions at the door. Although many of our Senators and Members of the House have spent their lives in elected public service there are also many that have come from a variety of professions .

    Page 2-4 has a breakdown in their occupations .
    http://fpc.state.gov/documents/organization/166794.pdf
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    Dec 28, 2011, 09:36 PM
    Quote Originally Posted by tomder55 View Post
    Then you need to check your perceptions at the door. Although many of our Senators and Members of the House have spent their lives in elected public service there are also many that have come from a variety of professions .

    page 2-4 has a breakdown in their occupations .
    http://fpc.state.gov/documents/organization/166794.pdf

    Yes, but my question was who has the money required to be elected to the highest office in the land? In our system we don't get to say who is the Prime Minister. The party decides.

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    Dec 28, 2011, 11:41 PM
    Quote Originally Posted by TUT317 View Post
    Yes, but my question was who has the money required to be elected to the highest office in the land? In our system we don't get to say who is the Prime Minister. The party decides.

    Tut
    Now Tut you shouldn't mislead the poor boy, their party decides who is the leader, so does ours. We know in advance who the leader will be just as they do, then the electorate decides if that person and the policies are acceptable. Difference is, our way of impeaching the leader is somewhat more sudden death, lose the confidence of the party and you are out even if you are the PM
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    Dec 29, 2011, 02:59 AM
    There is truth to what Clete says. Obama sealed the deal when the Kennedy clan put their "weight" behind him. He certainly wasn't wealthy even though his ghost written autobiography did decent sales.

    What you need to question is... why do so many of them leave office wealthy ?
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    Dec 29, 2011, 04:57 AM
    Quote Originally Posted by tomder55 View Post
    There is truth to what Clete says. Obama sealed the deal when the Kennedy clan put their "weight" behind him. He certainly wasn't wealthy even though his ghost written autobiography did decent sales.

    What you need to question is ...why do so many of them leave office wealthy ?
    Hi Tom,

    Good point

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    Dec 29, 2011, 07:28 AM
    I reckon we can start by watching where these guys end up upon leaving office.

    25 members of Congress with lowest net worth
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    Dec 29, 2011, 02:16 PM
    Quote Originally Posted by speechlesstx View Post
    I reckon we can start by watching where these guys end up upon leaving office.

    25 members of Congress with lowest net worth
    Interesting articles did you observe that some are on both the richest and the poorest list so what about the hundreds of other members of the Senate and Representatives, do they keep their affairs hidden?
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    Jan 2, 2012, 07:52 AM
    Michelle Bachmann was being heckled by the Occupy the frozen tundra of Iowa yesterday .

    Here is her comment :

    "You may have seen all over Des Moines the Barack Obama re-election advance team is already out there in the various parking lots of all of the campaigns,"


    She's right .
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    Jan 2, 2012, 08:13 AM
    Quote Originally Posted by tomder55 View Post
    "You may have seen all over Des Moines the Barack Obama re-election advance team is already out there in the various parking lots of all of the campaigns,"

    She's right .
    Hello again, tom:

    Those bastards..

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