[vish89]

Dreed is doberman
Age is 12 year... plzzz help me

[tickle]

Hi vish, it seems that your elder dog has diminished kidney function, suggesting diabetes. If you already have the results of the bloodwork, then you already have a vet for your elder dog. I suggest you talk to your vet about a treatment plan, if you have not already done so.

Tick

[Sariss]

I don't think it would be diabetes - chances are glucose would have been run in the same panel that gave those results.
What has your doctor explained to you in results to kidney damage?

[paleophlatus]

Elevated BUN can be from a variety of sources; problems excreting it with the kidney (may be a temporary thing), since BUN is increased by anything related to a breakdown of protein, it can be to muscle damage, or overexertion, so by itself it isn't a unique finding and needs to be interpreted in relation to what else is going on with the animal. Creatinine is sourced from a combination of muscle, breakdown, and kidney malfunction. It is more specifically pertinent to evaluating kidney damage than BUN, as creatinine levels will vary more in response to kidney damage, while BUN levels vary relatively more in response to other factors in the body, like diet, than kidney damage.

This lab result would be in the 'elevated' range, and may not be a real surprise finding in a 12 year old dog, but worthy of keeping closer tabs on. The significantly elevated BUN and moderate creatinine are suggestive of chronic renal failure and probably suggests a dietary modification to reduce the workload on the kidney, unless some other problem at hand could also explain the findings.

Here is a link to 'kidney failure'. (You may have to copy it and paste it into your browser) These type of information sites go into all sorts of details, many of which are probably not applicable to every person's situation. Look at it as a reference, not a guide to treatment or diagnosis.

http://www.medicinenet.com/pets/dog-health/kidney_failure_in_dogs.htm

[tickle]

Elevated BUN can be from a variety of sources; problems excreting it with the kidney (may be a temporary thing), since BUN is increased by anything related to a breakdown of protein, it can be to muscle damage, or overexertion, so by itself it isn't a unique finding and needs to be interpreted in relation to what else is going on with the animal. Creatinine is sourced from a combination of muscle, breakdown, and kidney malfunction. It is more specifically pertinent to evaluating kidney damage than BUN, as creatinine levels will vary more in response to kidney damage, while BUN levels vary relatively more in response to other factors in the body, like diet, than kidney damage.

T

That was very thorough, paleo, so you don't think diabetes is a possibility here?

Tick

[paleophlatus]

Well, I would have expected a bl glucose of somewhere above 200 to have shown up as well. Labs run today are in panels, and I'm not aware of a dip stix test for creatinine. With either diabetes or kidney failure, no one has said anything about the excess water intake and output that comes with both.

I wonder if this was just a 'sick' dog getting a blood panel done to see what was 'going on', and receiving a serendipitous finding of early kidney failure. One of the reasons most panels are done.

Didn't say there wasn't any diabetes as a possibility, but also, we didn't get a really good history to keep the mind open either. If there had been diabetes, plus a good history, the resultant pu/pd would have required a blood test to decide which problem was causing it. I bet the vet reported these two findings, and didn't see any glucose worth noting. It may have been an unwarranted exclusion, but they're just 'guesses', anyway :-) .