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Mar 22, 2011, 02:22 AM
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Rogue elements in the ranks need to be removed from service ;and cold blooded murderers need to be treated like cold blooded murderers.
These photos are a pr disaster .But the Army is doing the right thing in court martialling and charging them.
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Mar 22, 2011, 06:01 AM
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 Originally Posted by tomder55
Rogue elements in the ranks need to be removed from service ;and cold blooded murderers need to be treated like cold blooded murderers.
These photos are a pr disaster .But the Army is doing the right thing in court martialling and charging them.
A PR disaster, it is far more than a PR disaster, saying that indicates the level of cultural insensitivity in your nation. Your attitude suggests do anything you want as long as you don't get caught. Such an attitude is unacceptable.
There should be no rogue elements in the ranks, Psych testing could have weeded them out early. Too many good ole boys in the service
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Mar 22, 2011, 06:18 AM
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 Originally Posted by paraclete
There should be no rogue elements in the ranks, Psych testing could have weeded them out early. Too many good ole boys in the service
Hello clete:
Is it a lack of intelligence?? Not at all.. The soldiers just follow their leaders.
And when the leadership of a nation believes that people aren't worthy of basic human treatment - that they can be subjected to torture - that they can be subjected to indefinite detention - that they can be piled up naked and pictures be taken of them, then it's clear that our leaders don't value the lives of these people, so it's no wonder the soldiers don't either.
Now you might say that we're an honorable nation and we don't do that. You also might say that our "leaders" opened their mouths and SAID we don't do it... But, if you look at what we DID, instead of what we SAID, there was a secret message being delivered to our soldiers, and the soldiers got it.
excon
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Mar 22, 2011, 06:24 AM
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There should be no rogue elements in the ranks,
Yeah especially in the Aussie special commando units... right ?
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Mar 22, 2011, 06:41 AM
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The soldiers just follow their leaders.
The soldier involved is going to plea guilty to murder. Sounds like he recognizes that he was not following instructions implied or otherwise.
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Mar 22, 2011, 06:49 AM
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 Originally Posted by tomder55
The soldier involved is going to plea guilty to murder. Sounds like he recognizes that he was not following instructions implied or otherwise.
Hello again, tom:
That, or he's avoiding the death penalty. Clearly, this ;) WON'T work as a defense.
excon
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Mar 22, 2011, 03:22 PM
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 Originally Posted by tomder55
Yeah especially in the Aussie special commando units .....right ?
Tom in any ranks no matter where they come from
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Mar 22, 2011, 03:24 PM
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 Originally Posted by excon
Hello clete:
Is it a lack of intelligence???? Not at all.. The soldiers just follow their leaders.
excon
Ok Ex we have established that it is a deliberate poiicy of the US military despite all evidence to the contrary, sort of explains why they have been a little heavy handed in Libya
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Mar 23, 2011, 05:04 AM
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All I know is that if this happened under Bush's watch ,the US dinosaur press would've led with this story for days. The Dems in Congress would be pontificating for hours comparing us the Third Reich . The Secretary would be peppered with follow-up after follow-up questions by the White House press corp.
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Mar 23, 2011, 03:15 PM
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And so you are saying the story has to be broken internationally before your media picks it up, so much for a free press
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Mar 23, 2011, 03:25 PM
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Bump.
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Mar 23, 2011, 03:52 PM
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Yes our press is very compliant to the right President.
So is our activist lefty's for that matter . Pictures of prisoners in their underware while a Republican President is in charge ;months of continuous coverage.
Pictures of soldiers taking trophy pictures over their kill while the US has a lefty President... no media coverage in the US ,no Congressional outrage ,no mass demonstrations in the ummah.
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Mar 23, 2011, 04:04 PM
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Sounds like a media vacuum to me do you even know that the US has attacked Libya?
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Mar 23, 2011, 04:50 PM
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Yeah we do . Acting President Evita,(while the President is in abstentia on spring break ), alternately tells us Daffy must go while saying he's not a target.
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Mar 24, 2011, 05:33 AM
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That's their concern ? What about the Aussie special ops soldiers who lobbed a grenade into a bedroom full of children ?
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Mar 24, 2011, 05:41 AM
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What do you mean that's their concern? It is my concern that forces representing me have a bad attitude and it should be your concern that forces representing you have a bad attitude. Whatever members of the coalition do reflects on both you and I.
As to collateral damage, Tom I have no doubt such mistakes happen with all of the forces involved, we have seen many of them in Afghanistan and I wonder how many there are we don't know about. I doubt that was a deliberate attack on children but post the link to the story so we can all judge for ourselves.
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Mar 24, 2011, 05:42 AM
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Hello again,
In addition to following HIDDEN orders, there is another component in the military's debauchery.. It's the lack of a draft, combined with two wars and untold wartime deployments. That causes the military to accept - no - RECRUIT less than optimal members for our fighting forces.
Can a felon join?? Yes - but couldn't before. Can a gang member join up? Sure. What surprises me, is that YOU'RE surprised that thugs posing as soldiers DO this.
excon
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Mar 24, 2011, 05:43 AM
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As to collateral damage, Tom I have no doubt such mistakes happen with all of the forces involved,
It was deliberate
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