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chelsea22 · Sep 1, 2010, 07:38 PM

Hi my dog had a litter of 4 pups yesterday the last one was born at 6 37pm they are all good an feeding well but mummy crys every time the pups are not near her... like she doesn't no what to do... its worrying me have you got any advice 4 this also mummy is eating fine an going to the toilet but she will not drink water so I have been making her up puppy milk is this OK? Because she seems to like it

Sariss · Sep 1, 2010, 07:48 PM

She willingly moves away from the puppies, then cries because they aren't there?
How old is your dog?
When was the last time a vet looked at her?

chelsea22 · Sep 1, 2010, 08:12 PM

She's got the vets tomorrow morning but its now I needed an answer... the puppys wiggle away in the welping box an mum crys like she doesn't no how to move them back again... my dog is 2 years 8 months old

Sariss · Sep 1, 2010, 08:13 PM

She is a first time mother, a lot of time they are unsure.
The vet should help you out tomorrow.
My only advice for now would be to get her spayed once the puppies are weaned.

chelsea22 · Sep 1, 2010, 08:18 PM

Why on any of these Q/A sights can no one ever try an answer a question it always has to be advice on what to do with your pet I did not ask about getting my dog spayed have a look at my first post and see if you got any answers for me thanks

Sariss · Sep 1, 2010, 08:20 PM

My answer is take your dog to a vet. My other comment was a side-comment, as you obviously have not a lot of experience breeding, which is why it should be left to the people who research before they do it.

chelsea22 · Sep 1, 2010, 08:26 PM

Not every breader was born with experience they all started at the beginning an yes I have done every thing write by my dog she is well cared 4... and the reason these sights are here is to be able to ask questions so if you can't help me out in you answers then please don't answer atall

Alty · Sep 1, 2010, 08:29 PM

Originally Posted by chelsea22

why on any of these Q/A sights can no one ever try an answer a question it always has to be advice on what to do with your pet i did not ask about getting my dog spayed have a look at my first post and see if you got any answers 4 me thanks

Keep in mind that we volunteer here and this is a free service that we provide because we enjoy helping people. It pays to be a bit polite to people that are doing you a favor by even reading your posts. Something to keep in mind.

Your best bet is to talk to a vet. As long as the mother dog is eating well and nursing her pups, the whining is just something that she's doing because she's not accustomed to having puppies, but mention this to your vet in case there is something wrong that's causing her to do this.

The fact that she's not drinking any water is a worry because she needs to keep her fluid intake up in order to produce milk. Does she have a water dish near the whelping box or does she have to leave the room in order to drink? It may be that she's not willing to leave her puppies even if she's thirsty. Make sure the water and food are easily accessible.

The puppy milk I'm not sure of. I would ask the vet about that.

As for having her spayed. If you care about your dog, want her to be healthy, she should be spayed as soon as the vet gives the okay. It's best to leave breeding to registered professional breeders. There are enough unwanted dogs in this world already, which is why we always recommend spaying. As a group the pet experts on this site do not condone backyard breeding. It's too late to talk you out of it, the puppies are already here, but that doesn't mean that we won't mention that having a second litter is not a good idea.

In the end it's up to you. We can teach, we can advise, but we can't make you do the right thing.

Good luck to you and your dog.

Sariss · Sep 1, 2010, 08:30 PM

Originally Posted by chelsea22

not every breader was born with experience thay all started at the begining an yes i have done every thing write by my dog she is well cared 4 ...and the reason these sights are here is to be able to ask questions so if you can't help me out in you answers then please dont answer atall

You are very right, breeders aren't born with experience. That's why they research well before they start.

Anyway. She is a new mother - a lot of time they don't know what to do. Puppy milk will be fine until she sees the vet in the morning, though it may cause loose stool.

Alty · Sep 1, 2010, 08:35 PM

Originally Posted by chelsea22

not every breader was born with experience thay all started at the begining an yes i have done every thing write by my dog she is well cared 4 ...and the reason these sights are here is to be able to ask questions so if you can't help me out in you answers then please dont answer atall

If you are in fact a legitimate breeder than we apologize. Most breeders get a breeding mentor, that way, when they breed solo, they know what to do in any situation. It's not something that's done with trial and error because the risks are just too great. It takes years to learn before a breeder actual breeds their first litter.

What breed of dog are you breeding? Did you get the genetic testing done on both parents? Do you have a breeding mentor you can call for advice? Will all the puppies get their shots before they're adopted? At what age will they be put up for adoption? Will you have an adoption contract that includes taking back any puppy that the prospective owners decide not to keep, etc. etc. etc.

There's a lot more to breeding than putting a male and female together and having puppies.

If you haven't done any of the above (and there's much more I didn't even mention) than you're not a breeder. We call what you're doing backyard breeding, and backyard breeders are the ones responsible for the 5 million dogs that are killed in shelters every year in the US.

Just something to think about.

Just Dahlia · Sep 1, 2010, 08:58 PM

Originally Posted by Altenweg

If you are in fact a legitimate breeder than we apologize. Most breeders get a breeding mentor, that way, when they breed solo, they know what to do in any situation. It's not something that's done with trial and error because the risks are just too great. It takes years to learn before a breeder actual breeds their first litter.

What breed of dog are you breeding? Did you get the genetic testing done on both parents? Do you have a breeding mentor you can call for advice? Will all the puppies get their shots before they're adopted? At what age will they be put up for adoption? Will you have an adoption contract that includes taking back any puppy that the prospective owners decide not to keep, etc. etc. etc.

There's a lot more to breeding than putting a male and female together and having puppies.

If you haven't done any of the above (and there's much more I didn't even mention) than you're not a breeder. We call what you're doing backyard breeding, and backyard breeders are the ones responsible for the 5 million dogs that are killed in shelters every year in the US.

Just something to think about.

It took me just reading a couple posts a year or so ago to bring me to my knees and realize this.:o

We like pictures:)

Alty · Sep 1, 2010, 09:26 PM

Originally Posted by Just Dahlia

It took me just reading a couple posts a year or so ago to bring me to my knees and realize this.:o

We like pictures:)

But JD, you did read them, and you listened. You took what we said to heart and that's more than most people do.

I can forgive one person breeding because they don't know any better, but once they do know, if they continue breeding while dogs in shelters are dying for that greed, than there's no forgiveness, only anger and sorrow.

The problem is that backyard breeders find homes for these puppies, make a bit of money, and they continue. Of course the puppies find homes. Puppies are adorable. People see that cute little face and the big furry paws and they don't think ahead to the sleepless nights, the potty training, the cost of shots and other vet bills, the chewed up furniture, the barking, and all the other things that come with puppy ownership. Also, puppies become dogs. Once the cute clumsy puppy days are over many people no longer want the dog it's become.

Before you breed, remember that there are dogs being killed as we speak, all because of backyard breeding, because of human greed. Dogs like this one,

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Sierra, a shepherd/Akita, 5 years old, spayed female, awaiting adoption in my local shelter along with many other dogs that will probably never get their forever home.

shazamataz · Sep 1, 2010, 11:22 PM

My reccomendation, get a heat lamp if you haven't already got one.
If mum doesn't know to move the pups close to her and they are wiggling away you will need to keep the entire whelping box at the right temperature.

Until they are 2 weeks old puppies cannot maintain body temperature themselves, they need to rely on mum (or another source) to do so for them.

For mum try adding just a dash of puppy milk to a bowl of water. Usually that entices them to drink without the risk of giving them the runs.

Wet food is also a good source of fluids.

But if all else fails get some pedialyte and give a syringe full every half hour until you can get her to the vet.