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kris bryant · Jun 2, 2010, 06:33 PM

My daughter is due to have a babygirl soon and the father which she is not married to wants to sign off his rights to my granddaughter so he don't have to pay childsupport.we live in Illinois . He also has another daughter which is 3 she belongs to another woman .second question his grandparents pay's his childsupport because he won't hold a job long enough can we go after grandparents for support he is 27 years our daughter is 20 years old we need help ty ahead of time kris soon- to-be grandma

ScottGem · Jun 2, 2010, 06:36 PM

First, there is a sticky note at the top of this forum that answers your question about signing over rights. Can't be done.

And no, you cannot go after the grandparents as they have no responsiibilty.

cdad · Jun 2, 2010, 06:39 PM

The child support order belongs to him and him alone. The parent getting it from the grandparents should consider themselves lucky. If the grandparents want to help out that's great but they shouldn't be paying it on his behalf. That way he will learn his lesson the hard way.

kris bryant · Jun 2, 2010, 06:54 PM

Originally Posted by ScottGem

First, there is a sticky note at the top of this forum that answers your question about signing over rights. Can't be done.

And no, you cannot go after the grandparents as they have no responsiibilty.

I understand but can he try to sign off his rightes to just get out of paying childsupport

kris bryant · Jun 2, 2010, 06:57 PM

Originally Posted by califdadof3

The child support order belongs to him and him alone. The parent getting it from the grandparents should consider themselves lucky. If the grandparents want to help out thats great but they shouldnt be paying it on his behalf. That way he will learn his lesson the hard way.

His granparents support him .we need to know if he signs off his rights to my grandaughter will he still have to pay childsupport ty for your help

cdad · Jun 2, 2010, 06:58 PM

Originally Posted by kris bryant

i understand but can he try to sign off his rightes to just get out of paying childsupport

No !

ScottGem · Jun 2, 2010, 06:58 PM

Originally Posted by kris bryant

i understand but can he try to sign off his rightes to just get out of paying childsupport

No, you don't understand. If you had bothered to read the sticky note I referred to you would know that answer. Please go and read it.

kris bryant · Jun 2, 2010, 07:03 PM

Originally Posted by califdadof3

No !

Ty we need to know he is an abusive person and we want to protect or grandaughter and make sure he learns his lesson and is made to pay so I'm sure our daughter will get him to sign off his rights to protect Madison when she is born due date is July 5th ty for your help

Fr_Chuck · Jun 2, 2010, 07:04 PM

No, he can not just sign over his rights, there would not be 1000's of men sitting in jail tonight for non payment, or 10's of thousands with no drivers license, if it was that easy.

He may try many things, refuse to show up in court, hide from legal service, And of course if he does not work the amount of child support order may be so small it is silly.

Fr_Chuck · Jun 2, 2010, 07:05 PM

Originally Posted by kris bryant

ty we need to know he is an abusive person and we want to protect or grandaughter and make sure he learns his lesson and is made to pay so im sure our daughter will get him to sign off his rights to protect Madison when she is born due date is july 5th ty for your help

OK, one more time, real slowly, NO, NO and NO, he can not just sign over his rights, if he is "dangerous" then when he asks for court ordered visits, you prove in court he is a danger and fight his rights to any visits.

Child support is not a punishment, it is set according to his income

kris bryant · Jun 2, 2010, 07:06 PM

Originally Posted by ScottGem

No, you don't understand. If you had bothered to read the sticky note I referred to you would know that answer. Please go and read it.

I tried to find it no need for an attitude just trying to help my grandaughter be protected ty

kris bryant · Jun 2, 2010, 07:10 PM

Originally Posted by Fr_Chuck

No, he can not just sign over his rights, there would not be 1000's of men sitting in jail tonight for non payment, or 10's of thousands with no drivers license, if it was that easy.

He may try many things, refuse to show up in court, hide from legal service, And of course if he does not work the amount of child support order may be so small it is silly.

Ty for you help we are just making sure ty again

kris bryant · Jun 2, 2010, 07:18 PM

Originally Posted by Fr_Chuck

OK, one more time, real slowly, NO, NO and NO, he can not just sign over his rights, if he is "dangerous" then when he asks for court ordered visits, you prove in court he is a danger and fight his rights to any visits.

Child support is not a punishment, it is set according to his income

I know I am a mother of 2 grown children not a child so really slowly understand what I am going to type I'm ill and am trying to help my daughter who is scared before I am unable OK ty for more stress

ScottGem · Jun 2, 2010, 07:18 PM

Originally Posted by kris bryant

i tryed to find it no need for an attitude just trying to help my grandaughter be protected ty

All you needed to do was click on the Family Law forum link at the of your question. But here is a link for you:
https://www.askmehelpdesk.com/family...st-116098.html

You keep asking the same question but ignore the answers. Only a court can terminate parental rights, you can't take them away abd he can't sign them away.

kris bryant · Jun 2, 2010, 07:25 PM

Originally Posted by ScottGem

All you needed to do was click on the Family Law forum link at the of your question. But here is a link for you:
https://www.askmehelpdesk.com/family...st-116098.html

You keep asking the same question but ignore the answers. Only a court can terminate parental rights, you can't take them away abd he can't sign them away.

Ty I did and it says it depends on the areas laws but thank you

kris bryant · Jun 2, 2010, 07:26 PM

Originally Posted by kris bryant

ty i did and it says it depends on the areas laws but thankyou

Also he wants to sign off his rights we didn't ask him .:eek:

Synnen · Jun 2, 2010, 07:34 PM

Well, goody for him.

The courts won't LET him sign away his rights unless there is a stepfather ready to adopt.

And if he thinks he can sign away his rights to get out of child support--well, he's pretty dumb, then.

Your daughter needs to go to court AFTER the child is born and get full physical and legal custody. She also files for child support at that time.

He then has to go to court HIMSELF to fight for visitation.

If you could force someone to give up their rights, believe me, there are plenty of welfare mommies that wouldn't have their rights anymore---so that those kids could be adopted by people who could afford them. THAT is why it is hard to take away parental rights---so that it can't be done easily to those who would have a hard time fighting it.

And giving them up voluntarily--even if he COULD present a case to do so, parental rights and parental responsibility are two different things--and he'd find himself paying for his responsibility with no right to any say in the child's life. Betcha he stops talking about signing away rights the second he finds out that it doesn't get him out of child support.

kris bryant · Jun 2, 2010, 07:40 PM

Originally Posted by Synnen

Well, goody for him.

The courts won't LET him sign away his rights unless there is a stepfather ready to adopt.

And if he thinks he can sign away his rights to get out of child support--well, he's pretty dumb, then.

Your daughter needs to go to court AFTER the child is born and get full physical and legal custody. She also files for child support at that time.

He then has to go to court HIMSELF to fight for visitation.

If you could force someone to give up their rights, believe me, there are plenty of welfare mommies that wouldn't have their rights anymore---so that those kids could be adopted by people who could afford them. THAT is why it is hard to take away parental rights---so that it can't be done easily to those who would have a hard time fighting it.

And giving them up voluntarily--even if he COULD present a case to do so, parental rights and parental responsibility are two different things--and he'd find himself paying for his responsibility with no right to any say in the child's life. Betcha he stops talking about signing away rights the second he finds out that it doesn't get him out of child support.

Ty very much for your help we will make sure the minute we can get to court we will ty for your help we are glad there is people out there like u to help ty again kris

ScottGem · Jun 3, 2010, 04:02 AM

Originally Posted by kris bryant

ty i did and it says it depends on the areas laws but thankyou

No it did not say that. You really need to read your answers carefully. What it said was that only a court can terminate rights, a person cannot volunteer to terminate rights, nor can the other parent terminate them. Generally courts will only terminate rights to clear the way for an adoption or if a parent can be proven to be a danger to the child. What varies is, if a court does terminate rights, whether responsibilities are also terminated. But it also says that a court will NEVER terminate rights just to allow a parent out of paying support. So in those states where both rights and responsibilities are terminated its even harder to get a TPR.

Bottom line is that his rights will not be terminated as everyone has told you. Unless you can prove that he is a danger to the child, which is very difficult. And his obligation to pay support will not be terminated, even if it means not terminating his rights.