[Golden_Girl]

Why is it that there are many Christians who believe they are Christian, but have sex or fondle with others outside of marriage? Do they not know they will go to hell because of fornication or do they just choose to ignore?

[earl237]

I think every adult should live their own life the way they see fit and others should not judge them for things that are none of their business.

[Golden_Girl]

Sorry but I'm not asking for an atheist nonreligious point of view, if you didn't know the answer then you should have not answered. This is about religion versus western culture, your answer belongs in the "other religious/nonreligious category".

[Alty]

Why is it that there are many Christians who believe they are Christian, but have sex or fondle with others outside of marriage? Do they not know they will go to hell because of fornication or do they just choose to ignore?

I'm not Christian, anymore, but that's how I was raised.

I find that most people that call themselves Christian pick the things they want to follow.

Don't like a part of the bible, find another part, change it around to fit your views and then claim that you're living life according to the bible.

In other words, they choose to ignore it.

That's just my opinion, I know others will disagree.

[Golden_Girl]

Thanks Altenwig. I'm nolonger Christian either, but what raised Christian in a very strict Christian home. I agree with what you say about the cherry picking...

[arcura]

Golden_Girl,
Not all Christians have this problem I'm sure, but I'm also sure that many have had it to one extent or another; even if is is just lust.
That kind of activity has been often referred to as being a cafeteria Christian.
That is people who chose what they want to believe and do or not do as apposed to the opposite.
Then there are those who do fall into the sin of fornication due to overwhelming desire, but later feel very guilty of it and are remorseful about it.
If they then ask for forgiveness they are forgiven.
Peace and kindness,
Fred

[sndbay]

I'm not Christian, anymore, but that's how I was raised.

I find that most people that call themselves Christian pick and choose the things they want to follow.

Don't like a part of the bible, find another part, change it around to fit your views and then claim that you're living life according to the bible.

In other words, they choose to ignore it.

That's just my opinion, I know others will disagree.

I trust we have to permit eveyone their own right to chose their path in life, and allow them to be accountable to that choice. And while your opinion shows criticism for the imperfect world we live in, it also shows no respect for the freedom that each has to embrace the call to salvation.
I am also sure that we cannot deny an equal freedom to what your mind has elected to reject in the evidence which has convinced us to follow Christ.

I recognize Christ came to give us division, from what is right and wrong. As well HE brought us freedom from this imperfect world that had us cursed in death. I admit being accountable to do no wrong is not an easy cross for us to bear, but I believe in HIS righteousness and crucifixion that brought us forgiveness.

That's freedom of belief ~in Christ

[Golden_Girl]

No Sndbay, that is called cherry picking. You choose some parts of the bible to embrace, and then the other parts to ignore and rearrange to secular beliefs. My reason for asking is because there are many who do not "practice what they preach".

I'm not saying "don't do this, and don't do that", I am simply asking isnt there something wrong about being hypocritical and does that show a good example to the youth who are clearly observing?

If you are a religious person and dedicated yourself to worship God and follow the teachings, then say "everyone is permitted their own right to chose their path in life" is hypocritical and selfish because the youth and children are going to follow what their elders are doing as well as portraying the preaching but no practicing, and then copy what their elders are doing without considering the later consequences that comes along with premarital sex.

I'm not saying they should or should not do these things. I'm simply questioning why not practice what you (in general) preach and wouldn't that be considered hypocritical? Excluding secular beliefs and culture of do what you want and whenever you want ideas is selfish, when you are supposed to be a leader, and yet conscoiusly or subconsciously leading others down the wrong path?

Sorry, but that's the wrong set of footprints to be walking in the sand... no punt intended..

There are numerous Scriptures that declare sex before marriage to be a sin, so why do it? (Acts 15:20; 1Corinthians 5:1; 6:13, 18; 10:8; 2 Corinthians 12:21; Galatians 5:19; Ephesians 5:3; Colossians 3:5; 1 Thessalonians 4:3; Jude 7).

[galveston]

The problem goes far beyond fornication.

It is the current idea that there is NO such thing as absolute right or wrong. Since the Bible deals with those issues, the Christian is obligated to accept the Biblical concepts, without excuses.

Sin is sin, and is forgivable, but the Christian can NOT make sin his lifestyle and continue to claim the Christian label.

Jesus is both SAVIOR AND LORD. You cannot use Jesus to escape Hell and not make Him your LORD (BOSS).

If He can't be Lord of your life, then He will not be your Savior.

Luke 6:46
46 And why call ye me, Lord, Lord, and do not the things which I say?
(KJV)

Read the context of this verse for more information.

[arcura]

galveston,
You are right about that.
And if I'm going to be accused of cherry picking by choosing to follow Jesus then so be it.
In fact I like cherries.
Peace and kindness,
Fred

[cadillac59]

Thanks Altenwig. I'm nolonger Christian either, but what raised Christian in a very strict Christian home. I agree with what you say about the cherry picking...

If you are no longer a Christian, why do you care? Why not just forget it?

[cadillac59]

Frankly I couldn't care less what people do. It's none of my business anyway (and likewise none of theirs what I do).

Why are religious people on this board so obsessed with asking questions like, "Is it okay if I do xyz, blah, blah, blah".. always asking about rules and regulations, or like some pathetic little girl asked somewhere, "is it okay to kiss my boyfriend????".

God, what can't these pathetic people get a life and stop looking to other people to tell them what to do and how to live their lives? It's like they are constantly searching for some spiritual guru with a pipeline to heaven to tell them how to live. It's revolting.

[arcura]

cadillac59 ,
Personally I thinks it is OK to ask for the opinion of others about subjects such as you mentioned.
I read them and every once in awhile learn something new about my fellow human beings.
Some amaze me and others give me a chuckle or two, while some are very helpful.
I love them all and their "duhveristy".
Peace and kindness,
Fred

[cadillac59]

cadillac59 ,
Personally I thinks it is OK to ask for the opinion of others about subjects such as you mentioned.
I read them and every once in awhile learn something new about my fellow human beings.
Some amaze me and others give me a chuckle or two, while some are very helpful.
I love them all and their "duhveristy".
Peace and kindness,
Fred

You're a bit of an exception, but haven't you noticed all the questions on this board that always center on or ask if this or that is okay to do, or say, or think? All these people want is someone to tell them what to do, how to live, how to think, and of course when they make this known some huckster is going to come along and tell them what their god told him and take their money.

There you have it. The history of religion in one sentence!

[Golden_Girl]

If you are no longer a Christian, why do you care? Why not just forget it?

Because I like clarification as I am free to come up here and ask any questions and seek answers as it is called "ASK ME HELP DESK" in case you did not notice. I see why you are bothered Cadillac59, but I am not trying to mash on your toes of the decisions that you have clearly made or ask questions, you don't see me insulting your posts. So I have the right to question why some wish to be a cherry picker and yet point fingers.

Arcura stay on topic. Fornicating and then pointing fingers does not equal love of Jesus. Being a cherry picker is a hypocrite so congrats!

[cadillac59]

Because I like clarification as I am free to come up here and ask any questions and seek answers as it is called "ASK ME HELP DESK" in case you did not notice. I see why you are bothered Cadillac59, but I am not trying to mash on your toes of the decisions that you have clearly made or ask questions, you don't see me insulting your posts. So I have the right to question why some wish to be a cherry picker and yet point fingers.

Arcura stay on topic. Fornicating and then pointing fingers does not equal love of Jesus. Being a cherry picker is a hypocrit so congrats!

You think I am bothered because of what? Because I'm gay, a non-believer, free-thinker, one who is convinced that all religions are are harmful as they are untrue, or because I don't think "fornication" exists except in the mind of religious fanatics?

[Curlyben]

>.Thread Closed<
Before this argument escalates further.