[ETWolverine]

Hello again, El:

Wow, Dude! Either those conservative overwhelmingly voted for Democrats in the last TWO national elections, or your numbers are off....

Me??? I actually think the last TWO national elections were the best POLLS you could imagine. Consequently, I believe THEM rather than your made up numbers... Given the above, we are anything BUT, a center right country...

The country has moved left. It's clear to anyone who pays attention. The Republicans have moved right. That's clear too. It's now a fringe party. Sarah Palin is a fringe candidate.

excon

And yet, those same people who "overwhelmingly" voted 52% for Obama (not exactly an "overwhelming" win) seem to be experiencing "buyer's remorse" now.

Tell me, when the same nation voted "overwhelmingly" for Bush in not one but TWO elections, and when they voted "overwhelmingly" for a Republican Congress while Clinton was in office... were these indicators of the country being "center-right"? Nah... apparently elections only count as proof of something when Libs win. When Bush was winning two elections, you were STILL arguing that the country was left-center.

When 68% of the nation identify THEMSELVES are Conservatives (up from something like 62% in 2008, a 6% shift in one year), it's hard to argue that the country is moving to the left. But I'm sure you'll manage.

Elliot

[excon]

And yet, those same people who "overwhelmingly" voted 52% for Obama (not exactly an "overwhelming" win) seem to be experiencing "buyer's remorse" now...

Hello again, El:

So say you, and your right wing friends... I supply numbers from NATIONAL ELECTIONS... You supply numbers from Sean Hannity...

excon

[tomder55]

Latest Gallup poll has conservatives outnumbering libs in all 50 states .

Political Ideology: "Conservative" Label Prevails in the South

The Gallop organization of course is not Fox news.

PRINCETON, NJ -- The strength of "conservative" over "liberal" in the realm of political labels is vividly apparent in Gallup's state-level data, where a significantly higher percentage of Americans in most states -- even some solidly Democratic ones -- call themselves conservative rather than liberal.

In fact the only place where libs are the majority is in DC

[spitvenom]

I hate to quote Bill Maher but he said something that was very true. Obama needs to get a little George Bush in him. He needs to stop caring about Bipartisanship and say here is what we are doing and if you don't like it then oh well.

[tomder55]

Like they did when Pelosi twisted arms and bribed reluctant blue dogs to pass Cap and Trade ? They will pay for all this in the polls 2010 ,and the closer that day comes ,the less likely the Dem swing votes will be willing to be strong armed or bribed to sign onto an agenda crashing in around them.

[tomder55]

There is a bit of 'Palin Derangement Syndrome' going on in the press today.

Here we have a self described conservative calling her a "socialist".
http://blog.nj.com/njv_paul_mulshine...log-header.jpg

And a lib accusing her of "McCarthyism."
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn...7090701962.gif

Imagine the impact she'd have if she wasn't just a private citizen posting Tweets ?

[ETWolverine]

Hello again, El:

So say you, and your right wing friends... I supply numbers from NATIONAL ELECTIONS... You supply numbers from Sean Hannity....

excon

Nope. Just from Gallup and Ramussen.

Got to hate it when facts bite you on the butt.

Elliot

[inthebox]

I hate to quote Bill Maher but he said something that was very true. Obama needs to get a little George Bush in him. He needs to stop caring about Bipartisanship and say here is what we are doing and if you don't like it then oh well.

The thing is W had values and was transparent and not ashamed of them.
Obama, what does he believe? What are his core values? Is he ashamed of them? Why?
Is he the Obama that has the same values as Rev Wright or Bill Ayers or ACORN, or did he use these folks for his own gain and when they were no longer of any use he discarded them?




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