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    manimuth Posts: 261, Reputation: 60
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    Dec 21, 2006, 05:45 PM
    I am an Eastern Orthodox Christian. If you are thinking of joining Islam for the subordinance and apparent piety of Muslim women, I believe you should reconsider. You can have it all as an Orthodox Christian. My mother and grandmother exist solely for their children and husbands. They are both very dedicated to their family and hardly has "lives of their own". They are not forced to but they enjoy this role and though culture plays a role in it, they accept it. My grandmother, whose husband passed away 6 years ago, still hold Qurbana (mass) for him every year. She also prays at least twice a day, everyday.
    If you have other main concerns for converting to Islam, please tell me and if I have assumed something please correct me.
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    Dec 22, 2006, 08:39 PM
    Islam the rules govern a much greater portion of daily life. What one eats and drinks. How one dresses. How they do so many things.
    Hi scott I understand that in islam the rules govern grater portion of daily life. I believe if Gos has given us so many things, big thing is this life we are living is given by God right? so why can't we obey him, why do we have to pray once a week, or month or year, why not every day, at least once a day and be thankful to him what he has given us.


    Let's walk step by step and see why certain things are forbidden in Islam. Why muslims can't eat pork.

    "Why is the eating of pork forbidden in Islam?

    Answer:

    The fact that consumption of pork is prohibited in Islam is well known. The following points explain various aspects of this prohibition:


    1. Pork prohibited in Qur’an



    The Qur’an prohibits the consumption of pork in no less than 4 different places. It is prohibited in 2:173, 5:3, 6:145 and 16:115.

    "Forbidden to you (for food) are: dead meat, blood, the flesh of swine, and that on which hath been invoked the name of other than Allah." [Al-Qur’an 5:3]

    The above verses of the Holy Qur’an are sufficient to satisfy a Muslim as to why pork is forbidden.


    2. Pork prohibited in the Bible



    The Christian is likely to be convinced by his religious scriptures. The Bible prohibits the consumption of pork, in the book of Leviticus

    "And the swine, though he divide the hoof, and be cloven footed, yet he cheweth not the cud; he is unclean to you".

    "Of their flesh shall ye not eat, and their carcass shall ye not touch, they are unclean to you."
    [Leviticus 11:7-8]

    Pork is also prohibited in the Bible in the book of Deuteronomy

    "And the swine, because it divideth the hoof, yet cheweth not the cud, it is unclean unto you. Ye shall not eat of their flesh, nor touch their dead carcass."
    [Deuteronomy 14:8]

    A similar prohibition is repeated in the Bible in the book of Isaiah chapter 65 verse 2-5.


    3. Consumption of pork causes several diseases



    The other non-Muslims and atheists will agree only if convinced through reason, logic and science. Eating of pork can cause no less than seventy different types of diseases. A person can have various helminthes like roundworm, pinworm, hookworm, etc. One of the most dangerous is Taenia Solium, which is in lay man’s terminology called tapeworm. It harbours in the intestine and is very long. Its ova i.e. eggs, enter the blood stream and can reach almost all the organs of the body. If it enters the brain it can cause memory loss. If it enters the heart it can cause heart attack, if it enters the eye it can cause blindness, if it enters the liver it can cause liver damage. It can damage almost all the organs of the body.

    Another dangerous helminthes is Trichura Tichurasis. A common misconception about pork is that if it is cooked well, these ova die. In a research project undertaken in America, it was found that out of twenty-four people suffering from Trichura Tichurasis, twenty two had cooked the pork very well. This indicates that the ova present in the pork do not die under normal cooking temperature.


    4. Pork has fat building material

    Pork has very little muscle building material and contains excess of fat. This fat gets deposited in the vessels and can cause hypertension and heart attack. It is not surprising that over 50% of Americans suffer from hypertension.


    5. Pig is one of the filthiest animals on earth


    The pig is one of the filthiest animals on earth. It lives and thrives on muck, faeces and dirt. It is the best scavenger that I know that God has produced. In the villages they don’t have modern toilets and the villagers excrete in the open air. Very often excreta is cleared by pigs.

    Some may argue that in advanced countries like Australia, pigs are bred in very clean and hygienic conditions. Even in these hygienic conditions the pigs are kept together in sties. No matter how hard you try to keep them clean they are filthy by nature. They eat and enjoy their own as well as their neighbour’s excreta."

    Question answered by Dr. Zakir Naik.
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    Dec 22, 2006, 08:44 PM
    "Why is the consumption of alcohol prohibited in Islam?"

    Answer:

    Alcohol has been the scourge of human society since time immemorial. It continues to cost countless human lives, and causes terrible misery to millions throughout the world. Alcohol is the root cause of several problems facing society. The statistics of soaring crime rates, increasing instances of mental illnesses and millions of broken homes throughout the world bear mute testimony to the destructive power of alcohol.


    1. Prohibition of alcohol in the Qur’an

    The Glorious Qur’an prohibits the consumption of alcohol in the following verse:

    "O ye who believe!
    Intoxicants and Gambling,
    (Dedication of) stones,
    And (divination by) arrows,
    Are an Abomination –
    Of Satan’s handiwork;
    Eschew such (abomination),
    That ye may prosper."
    [Al-Qur’an 5:90]


    2. Prohibition of alcohol in the Bible

    The Bible prohibits the consumption of alcohol in the following verses:

    "Wine is a mocker, strong drink is raging; and whosoever is deceived thereby is not wise."
    [Proverbs 20:1]

    "And be not drunk with wine."
    [Ephesians 5:18]


    3. Alcohol inhibits the inhibitory centre
    The human beings possess an inhibitory centre in their brains. This inhibitory centre prevents the person from doing things that he considers wrong. For instance a person does not normally use abusive language while addressing his parents or elders. If he has to answer the call of nature, his inhibitory centre will prevent him from doing so in public. Therefore he uses the toilet.

    When a person consumes alcohol, the inhibitory centre itself is inhibited. That is precisely the reason that an inebriated person is often found to be indulging in behaviour that is completely uncharacteristic of him. For instance the intoxicated person is found to use abusive and foul language and does not realize his mistake even if he is addressing his parents. Many even urinate in their clothes. Neither do they talk nor walk properly. They even misbehave.


    4. Cases of adultery, rape, incest and AIDS are found more among alcoholics
    According to National Crime Victimization Survey Bureau of Justice (U.S. Department of Justice) in the year 1996 alone everyday on an average 2,713 rapes took place. The statistics tell us that the majority of the rapists, were intoxicated while committing the crime. The same is true in cases of molestation.

    According to statistics, 8% of Americans commit incest i.e. one in every twelve to thirteen persons in America is involved in incest. Almost all the cases of incest are due to intoxication of one or both the persons involved.

    One of the major factors associated with the spread of AIDS, the most dreaded disease, is alcoholism.


    5. Every alcoholic was initially a social drinker
    Many may argue in favour of liquor by calling themselves ‘social drinkers’. They claim that they only have one or two pegs and they have self-control and so never get intoxicated. Investigations reveal that every alcoholic started as a social drinker. Not a single alcoholic or drunkard initially starts drinking with the intention of becoming an alcoholic or a drunkard. No social drinker can say that I have been having alcohol for several years and that I have so much self-control that I have never been intoxicated even a single time.


    6. If a person is intoxicated just once and commits something shameful, it will remain with him for a lifetime.
    Suppose a ‘social drinker’ loses his self-control just once. In a state of intoxication he commits rape or incest. Even if the act is later regretted, a normal human being is likely to carry the guilt throughout his life. Both the perpetrator and the victim are irreparably and irreversibly damaged.


    7. Alcohol is prohibited in the Hadith
    The Prophet of Islam Muhammad (peace be upon him) said:

    In Sunan Ibn-I-Majah Volume 3, Book of Intoxicants, Chapter 30 Hadith No. 3371.

    "Alcohol is the mother of all evils and it is the most shameful of evils."

    In Sunan Ibn-I-Majah Volume 3, Book of Intoxicants, Chapter 30 Hadith No. 3392

    "Anything which intoxicates in a large quantity, is prohibited even in a small quantity."

    Thus there is no excuse for a nip or a tot.

    Not only those who drink alcohol are cursed but also those who deal with them directly or indirectly are cursed by Allah.

    According to Sunan Ibn-I-Majah Volume 3, Book of Intoxicants, Chapter 30 Hadith No. 3380.

    It was reported by Anas (may Allah be pleased with him), that Prophet Muhammad (pbuh) said:

    "God’s curse falls on ten groups of people who deal with alcohol. The one who distills it, the one for whom it has been distilled, the one who drinks it, the one who transports it, the one to who it has been brought, the one whom serves it, the one who sells it, the one who utilizes money from it, the one who buys it and the one who buys it for someone else."


    8. Diseases associated with alcoholism
    There are several scientific reasons for the prohibition of consumption of intoxicants i.e. alcohol. The maximum number of deaths in the world related to any one particular cause is due to the consumption of alcohol. Millions of people die every year only because of intake of alcohol. I need not go into the details of all the ill-effects of alcohol since most of them are commonly known. Below is a simple list of few of the alcohol related illnesses:

    Cirrhosis of Liver is the most well known alcohol associated disease.

    Others are Cancer of Oesophagus, Cancer of Head and Neck, Cancer of Liver (Hepatoma), Cancer of Bowel, etc.

    Oesophagitis, Gastritis, Pancreatitis and Hepatitis are linked with alcohol consumption.

    Cardiomyopathy, Hypertension, Coronary Artherosclerosis, Angina and Heart Attacks are linked with heavy alcohol intakes.

    Strokes, Apoplexy, Fits and different types of Paralysis are linked with alcohol intake.

    Peripheral Neuropathy, Cortical Atrophy, Cerebellar Atrophy are well-known syndromes caused by alcohol consumption.

    Wernicke – Korsakoff syndrome with amnesia of recent events, confabulations and retainment of memory to old events with different types of paralysis are mainly due to thiamine deficiency due to excessive alcohol intake.

    Beriberi and other deficiencies are not uncommon among alcoholics. Even Pellagra occurs in alcoholics.

    Delerium Tremens is a serious complication that may occur during recurrent infection of alcoholics or post operatively. It also occurs during abstention as a sign of withdrawal effect. It is quite serious and may cause death even if treated in well equipped centres.

    Numerous Endocrine Disorders have been associated with alcoholism ranging from Myxodema to Hyperthyroidism and Florid Cushing Syndrome.

    Hematological ill effects are long and variable. Folic acid deficiency, however, is the most common manifestation of alcoholic abuse resulting in Macrocytic Anemia. Zeive’s syndrome is a triad of Hemolytic Anemia, Jaundice and Hyperlipaedemia that follows alcoholic binges.

    Thrombocytopenia and other platelet abnormalities are not rare in alcoholics.

    The commonly used tablet metronidazole (flagyl) interacts badly with alcohol.

    Recurrent infection is very common among chronic alcoholics. The resistance to disease and the immunological defense system are compromised by alcohol intake.

    Chest infections are notorious in alcoholics. Pneumonia, Lung Abcess, Emphysema and Pulmonary Tuberculosis are all common in alcoholics.

    During acute alcoholic intoxication, the drunk person usually vomits, the cough reflexes which are protective are paralysed. The vomitus thus easily pass to the lung causing Pneumonia or Lung Abscess. Occasionally it may even cause suffocation and death.

    The ill effects of alcohol consumption on women deserves special mention. Females are more vulnerable to alcohol-related Cirrhosis than men. During pregnancy alcohol consumption has a severe detrimental effect on the foetus. Foetal Alcohol Syndrome is being recognised more and more in the medical profession.

    Skin diseases are also related to alcohol indulgence.

    Eczema, Alopecia, Nail Dystrophy, Paronychia (infection around the nails) and Angular Stomatitis (inflammation of the angle of the mouth) are common diseases among alcoholics.


    9. Alcoholism is a ‘disease’
    Medical doctors have now turned liberal towards alcoholics and call alcoholism a disease rather than an addiction.

    The Islamic Research Foundation has published a pamphlet that says:

    If alcohol is a disease, it is the only disease that:

    - Is sold in bottles

    - Is advertised in newspapers, magazines, on radio and television

    - Has licensed outlets to spread it

    - Produces revenue for the government

    - Brings violent deaths on the highways

    - Destroys family life and increases crime

    - Has no germs or viral cause

    ALCOHOLISM IS NOT A DISEASE – IT IS SATAN’S HANDIWORK

    Allah (swt) in His Infinite Wisdom has warned us against this snare of Satan. Islam is called the "Deen-ul-Fitrah" or the natural religion of Man. All its injunctions are aimed at preserving the natural state of man. Alcohol is a deviation from this natural state, for the individual as well as for society. It degrades man to a level below that of the beasts he claims to be superior to. Hence the consumption of alcohol is prohibited in Islam"


    Answered by Dr.Zakir Naik
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    Dec 23, 2006, 02:28 PM
    Each person must be free to choose whatever religion their conscience guides him or her towards. There is no difference between the moral values and teachings of Islam and those of Christianity.

    Experience teaches us that there are some in both traditions who do not adhere to the letter and spirit of the moral law that informs the two faiths, but that is not to be considered a fault with the religion itself, but an insight into the individual vagaries and weaknesses of those experiencing the human condition.

    Fathers in each religion can be stern if that is their nature, but fear is not a good reason to walk a path through life that you wish to reject. Perhaps when you are older you will discover that your father is not the tyrant you presently consider him to be.
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    Jul 25, 2007, 05:41 AM
    Comments on this postfirmbeliever disagrees: muslims can borrow money but must have a written document signed by witnesses in case it is needed at a later date for either party to confirm the borrowed details!
    According to what I have read Islam prohibits the paying or receiving of interest on money. This makes it kind of hard to borrow money. EVERY loan requires signed documents. Its called a promissory note.
    Negative comments should only be given when an answer is factually incorrect. Mine wasn't.
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    Aug 3, 2007, 03:56 AM
    Quote Originally Posted by ScottGem
    The problem here is that most major religions have the SAME morals and mostly the same values. One of the major differences is in the way each treats women. Islam relagates women to second class status. They are considered more as property. They are considered only good for bearing children and taking care of the home. Sure, some Muslim men may hold their women in higher regard, but generally not in public.
    Quran chapter 004 verse135
    "O ye who believe! stand out firmly for justice, as witnesses to Allah, even as against yourselves, or your parents, or your kin, and whether it be (against) rich or poor: for Allah can best protect both. Follow not the lusts (of your hearts), lest ye swerve, and if ye distort (justice) or decline to do justice, verily Allah is well-acquainted with all that ye do."

    Quran chapter 048 verse005
    "That He may admit the men and women who believe, to Gardens beneath which rivers flow, to dwell therein for aye, and remove their ills from them;- and that is, in the sight of Allah, the highest achievement"


    As a muslim, I would like to clear a misconception about muslims and muslim women in general.

    Firstly please do not assume that muslim women feel oppressed by the religion of Islam, if any live near you ask them yourself... and then decide if they are really oppressed or liberated.

    In Islam the women are not forced into subservient roles, but the women are freed from the obligation of earning financially for the upkeep of the family, it is the mens duty to provide financial assistance.
    This leaves the women to be free from the headache of providing for the family, but if they wish they could have all their time to spend with their family,rearing children in a healthy environment where the children find no lack of support from both parents and the mother being home is able to help the children with a balanced childhood (in today's age we find so many children finding themselves fighting for the attention of their parents as both work and have little or no time for the kids)

    The women have a choice of whether working or nor working for their own satisfaction, they can own businesses and run them too.
    I know that many hijab (all covered except the face and hands) and niqab (all covered except the eyes) women do work and earn their own living even if the husband provides for them.

    The women are to be respected as mothers and sisters, wives and daughters and should not be harmed in anyway or form.Those who do beat the women or punish them to their own liking are not doing it as prescribed by Islam,but to their own misguided views.

    Women are no different from men in Islam that both are rewarded by the Almighty for their piety...

    Covering of the women is a command from Allah the Almighty and those women who cover for the sake of Allah do so without pressure from anyone,it is seen as obeying Allah and no one else and the women expect a reward from the Almighty on the day of Resurrection for obeying Allah and no reward from anyone else.

    When women are divorced there is also a prescribed period for the man to look after her in order to confirm whether she is pregnant or not and if she is the husband must provide for the mother until the child is born and after.

    Quran chapter 004 verse128
    "If a wife fears cruelty or desertion on her husband's part, there is no blame on them if they arrange an amicable settlement between themselves; and such settlement is best; even though men's souls are swayed by greed. But if ye do good and practise self-restraint, Allah is well-acquainted with all that ye do."

    When the women are getting married, they can either reject or accept the man in question
    As it is not right to force a women to marry against her wishes in Islam.


    Some links to the best women in the history of Islam.
    Please do not judge the religion just by looking at the followers, go to the roots of the religion itself and learn for yourself the right way and then choose.

    http://www.usc.edu/dept/MSA/history/..._ABI_BAKR.html
    http://www.usc.edu/dept/MSA/history/...o.BARAKAH.html
    http://www.usc.edu/dept/MSA/history/..._ABU_BAKR.html
    http://www.usc.edu/dept/MSA/history/...BI_SUFYAN.html

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