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-Seven- · Jul 28, 2009, 11:32 PM

Hi, I was wondering if anyone would be willing to share some of their best resources on awakening your consciousness? And was wondering if there's anyone on here that's transcended mind?

Gemini54 · Jul 31, 2009, 05:11 PM

One of the basic traditional practices for awakening consciousness is meditation. There are any number of meditation practices within the major faith traditions. Mindfulness meditation is generally non secular, and is recommended by doctors, etc. Any good esoteric bookshop will have many books on meditation and there are many meditation groups that meet regularly.

Regarding transcending mind, the non dualist tradition teaches that there is only Mind, the indescribable Ultimate Reality, God, of which we are all part of and manifestations of. Therefore, we can't transcend mind because we are mind.

As far as spiritual seeking goes, we are already that which we seek!

There is heaps of stuff to read on the internet about Non Duality, its main precepts and its main proponents.

It's not as heavy as it sounds!

-Seven- · Jul 31, 2009, 11:01 PM

Hmm, I'm already pretty familiar with a couple forms of meditation. I'm very familiar with the concept of non dual reality as well. Though we experience life in a dualistic manner. I realize we are our mind, a collection of ideas and beliefs, and I know transcending this is practical death. I'm ready for that though, unless I find an alternative I plan on meditating till I experience all within the moment, even if it takes me decades of nonstop meditation.

I believe that Jesus became who he was by transcending self... the mind, all the collective thoughts and beliefs, all potential fears and everything that could give rise to fear. Once self is removed, the wholeness of truth is uncovered in the place of self. We preconcieve so many things, absolutely everything we see has at one point already been judged and identified, to the point where new experiences are hardly a surprise due to the foundation of preconcieved reality we've built for ourselves. Imagine being where he was, fully conscious, fully aware of his interconnectedness with everything... essencially he was no longer human. The externally objective is no longer, but instead experienced as an extension of true self. You would see yourself in whatever you perceived.

My problem is that I don't know if any number of years of meditation would be enough to completely remove self. Remove whatever it is that creates conceptions from my experience.

artlady · Jul 31, 2009, 11:24 PM

I meditate and do yoga as often as I can.

I do meditate at least every other day and yoga I try to do everyday ,sometimes I am limited due to a back problem.
I have found meditation to be the foundation for peace in my mind and spirit.

I have had OOB's while meditating and I felt supreme bliss.So ,in answer to your question I believe I have transcended mind.

If by that you mean gone to another plane that is not a part of mind but all knowing and all sensation,body, Spirit.

I have felt the energy of color , I knew what color meant without words or any other way I learn on this plane,it was freakin heavy :)and been in a state where I knew everything without having a mental *thought* about it.
It was ALL feeling and sensation and no words but total clarity,oneness.

ONENESS ,been there :) Straight,without any drugs or anything .
Done it the other way too with psychedelics,that was cool too.

-Seven- · Aug 1, 2009, 12:40 AM

Well said. Though, what was it that kept you from staying in that state permanently. What drew you back?

Gemini54 · Aug 1, 2009, 01:50 AM

I plan on meditating till I experience all within the moment

Non duality says that we ARE experiencing all within the moment at this very moment. Why mediate for 20 years when you can appreciate the moment for what it is now?

There is nothing more and nothing less. It simply is.

Total clarity and oneness can be achieved by being completely in the present being completely aware of this moment - so, some would argue, mediation is not even required.

-Seven- · Aug 1, 2009, 02:26 AM

We are experiencing it on an unconscious level... or hardly conscious level. Sure, I know it's happening.. but I'm not aware of it, even in the moment with my awareness in the present. Even in such a state, I can feel stress and tension surfacing from somewhere deep within. You aren't fully aware of all as one, you aren't fully experiencing the moment through universal consciousness, but through a consciousness deep within the murk of an "individual" who unconsciously identifies it's "self" with thoughts, beliefs, and appearance. The moment is simply the gateway into true fully conscious universal experience. In such a state you would feel the heart beats of all the living just as you feel your own in the moment.

I recently just realized that the mysterious tension I've been feeling is due to my desire to rid myself of it. It wasn't till then that I experienced the peace I was looking for, when I stopped caring to look for it.

Eckhart Tolle: "You can't fight madness, or you'll become mad yourself. You can't fight unconsciousness, or else you'll be further drawn into unconsciousness."

Enlightenment truly isn't something you search for, but something you sink into. Even your desperation for it will steal you away.

artlady · Aug 1, 2009, 02:45 AM

Originally Posted by -Seven-

We are experiencing it on an unconscious level...or hardly conscious level. Sure, I know it's happening..but I'm not aware of it, even in the moment with my awareness in the present. Even in such a state, I can feel stress and tension surfacing from somewhere deep within. You aren't fully aware of all as one, you aren't fully experiencing the moment through universal consciousness, but through a consciousness deep within the murk of an "individual" who unconsciously identifies it's "self" with thoughts, beliefs, and appearance. The moment is simply the gateway into true fully conscious universal experience. In such a state you would feel the heart beats of all the living just as you feel your own in the moment.

I recently just realized that the mysterious tension I've been feeling is due to my desire to rid myself of it. It wasn't till then that I experienced the peace I was looking for, when I stopped caring to look for it.

Eckhart Tolle: "You can't fight madness, or you'll become mad yourself. You can't fight unconsciousness, or else you'll be further drawn into unconsciousness."

Enlightenment truly isn't something you search for, but something you sink into. Even your desperation for it will steal you away.

:cool:

You can never have desperation for enlightenment.

artlady · Aug 1, 2009, 02:51 AM

Originally Posted by Gemini54

Non duality says that we ARE experiencing all within the moment at this very moment. Why mediate for 20 years when you can appreciate the moment for what it is now?

There is nothing more and nothing less. It simply is.

Total clarity and oneness can be achieved by being completely in the present being completely aware of this moment - so, some would argue, mediation is not even required.

It is for me ,I can't stay in a meditative state all day,Got to do things.
But I do meditate ,it is for my high blood pressure and many other maladies,insomnia ,I could go on but I do think there is a way to step out while in a deep mediative state.I'm sticking with it:)
If you are total guru you could be in that state but I don't see that being me,although it would be cool :)

Gemini54 · Aug 1, 2009, 07:32 PM

Originally Posted by artlady

It is for me ,I can't stay in a meditative state all day,Gotta do things.
But I do meditate ,it is for my high blood pressure and many other maladies,insomnia ,I could go on but I do think there is a way to step out while in a deep meditative state.I'm sticking with it:)
If you are total guru you could be in that state but I don't see that being me,although it would be cool :)

I know what you mean, but theoretically ('cos it's bloody hard in practice!) it's actually not a constant 'meditative state', but it's about remembering that you are aware and being present in and connected to each moment.

There are two things that make this difficult - our ego and our thoughts. Like, if I focus on my thoughts at this moment there is all this stuff about yesterday, today, tomorrow, he said she said, which stops me being present in this moment as I'm typing these words on the keyboard.

So usually, the only way I can focus on the present moment is to actually stop and be still and meditate. But, my husband and I talk a lot about how be 'present' and be in the 'now' and it's really only by remembering that you are in the moment and continually bringing yourself back to it.

I don't think I explained that very well, because the words are sort of difficult to find!

Gemini54 · Aug 1, 2009, 07:37 PM

Originally Posted by -Seven-

We are experiencing it on an unconscious level...or hardly conscious level. Sure, I know it's happening..but I'm not aware of it, even in the moment with my awareness in the present. Even in such a state, I can feel stress and tension surfacing from somewhere deep within. You aren't fully aware of all as one, you aren't fully experiencing the moment through universal consciousness, but through a consciousness deep within the murk of an "individual" who unconsciously identifies it's "self" with thoughts, beliefs, and appearance. The moment is simply the gateway into true fully conscious universal experience. In such a state you would feel the heart beats of all the living just as you feel your own in the moment.

I recently just realized that the mysterious tension I've been feeling is due to my desire to rid myself of it. It wasn't till then that I experienced the peace I was looking for, when I stopped caring to look for it.

Eckhart Tolle: "You can't fight madness, or you'll become mad yourself. You can't fight unconsciousness, or else you'll be further drawn into unconsciousness."

Enlightenment truly isn't something you search for, but something you sink into. Even your desperation for it will steal you away.

My thoughts - enlightenment is actually here in the now, I agree, you don't have to seek it or even sink into it, if you're aware of it, it's here.

Gemini54 · Aug 1, 2009, 08:48 PM

artlady agrees: You explained it very well.I got you and it is difficult because you have little frame of reference to compare it to,it is a different realm.The tonal and the nagual.

I like that reference to the tonal and the nagual - and although it's technically parallel, it's the inseparability that's interesting. Sort of like sunlight and shadow - part of the same thing but different.

-Seven- · Aug 1, 2009, 10:01 PM

I think we are mixed up in our definitions of awareness. When I say awareness, I'm talking about experiencing the universe as one's personal self, not the idea of it. I'm talking about feeling ALL things as one might feel their own skin. Having your consciousness exceed the boundaries of your personal "self". Experiencing reality as god itself would. Sure you can go into the moment and be "aware" that you are in some way one with all things, but it's only experienced as an idea or feeling. At least for me anyway. Self interferes with one's ability to experience it's true self, even when consciousness is within the moment. Self must first be dealt with.