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    Jul 20, 2009, 06:59 AM
    Asians in Abrahamic religions
    According to the Holly Bible and probably Torah and Quran, Noah had three sons:

    1) Japhet - he is the anscestor of European nations
    2) Sim - the forefather os Simites
    3) Ham - his descendants are Africans

    There was nobody else except them and their wives. However, there's no word about where did Asians come from.
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    Jul 20, 2009, 07:08 AM

    I know the wise men came from Asia and there were more than the traditional three.
    That is an interesting question
    I thought I had heard the answer before
    If I did I forgot.


    I know Asia is throughout the Bible

    I am finding the word hittites in association with Asia?
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    Jul 20, 2009, 07:23 AM

    BTW, I misspelled the name of the second son, Shem.
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    Jul 20, 2009, 07:36 AM
    I think this question belongs in Religious Discussions.

    An article which could lead to more research.
    Origin of Nations, by History Research Projects
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    Jul 20, 2009, 07:41 AM
    Quote Originally Posted by N0help4u View Post
    I know the wise men came from Asia and there were more than the traditional three.
    That is an interesting question
    I thought I had heard the answer before
    If I did I forgot.


    I know Asia is throughout the Bible

    I am finding the word hittites in association with Asia?

    I think if you dig a bit more you will see that the references to "Asia" are actually referring to the far (then known) regions of the world. Rev 1:4-11 Refer to the 7 churches of Asia which is actually talking about what we would have called Asia Minor , Modern day Turkey.
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    Jul 20, 2009, 07:51 AM

    That's true donn, what we call as Asia in the modern world is not necessarily the same as it was back in time.

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    Taken from the link I gave before...
    PART TWO: JAPHETH
    7. Dodanim and Tarshish

    The people descended from the Dodanim traced and located. Their anthropology discussed. This chapter demonstrates that Tarshish had western and eastern branches. Hebrew contact with ancient Japan is proven.

    8. The Russians and Finno-Ugric Peoples

    Where are the modern-day descendants of Madai, Meschech, Tubal today? Who are the Finno-Ugric peoples scattered in north-west Russia, eastern Finland, Estonia and Hungary?

    9. The Peoples of China and South-east Asia

    Magog, Kittim, Gomer etc all proven to be east Asian peoples.

    10. What Happened to the Descendants of Elishah and Tiras?

    These people are not easy to trace, but trace them I did. You will be surprised at who they are today on our planet
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    Jul 20, 2009, 07:53 AM

    You could be right in the end, who knows. All I do know is what my Reference bible says. I also seem to remember another reference to Asia, or modern day Turkey. It always amazes me to read the bible and see how far ( or close by) the countries actually are in relation to each other. In modern day terms, you could do most of the journeys in the bible in a day or two by car. But the accounts relate to sometimes years for these journeys.
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    Jul 20, 2009, 10:38 AM
    Quote Originally Posted by firmbeliever View Post
    I think this question belongs in Religious Discussions.

    An article which could lead to more research.
    Origin of Nations, by History Research Projects
    Your link provides doubtful information. Here's another point of view:

    Sons of Noah - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

    I'd agree with that one, though I think Turks are descendants of Ham.
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    Jul 21, 2009, 06:29 AM
    Quote Originally Posted by RomanK View Post
    Your link provides doubtful information. Here's another point of view:

    Sons of Noah - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

    I'd agree with that one, though I think Turks are descendants of Ham.
    Either link doesn't seem to have concrete information regarding the origin of Asians.
    I am assuming that the one of the grandsons of Noah (alaihi salaam) may have been the origin of Asians as we know them.

    I remember reading somewhere that Gog and Magog had mongoloid features,I can't remember where I saw that,but will let you know if I find that information again.

    Anyway, I found some more interesting information related to this topic.

    Dienekes' Anthropology Blog: Origins of Mongoloid mtDNA in Slavs
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    Mongoloid race - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
    Geneticist Luigi Luca Cavalli-Sforza claims that there is a genetic division between East and Southeast Asians.[37] In a like manner, Zhou Jixu agrees that there is a physical difference between these two populations.[38] Other geneticists have found evidence for three separate populations, carrying distinct sets of non-recombining Y chromosome lineages, within the traditional Mongoloid category: North Asians, Han Chinese/Southeast Asians, and Japanese.[39] The complexity of genetic data have led to doubt about the usefulness of the concept of a Mongoloid race itself, since distinctive East Asian features may represent separate lineages and arise from environmental adaptations or retention of common proto-Eurasian ancestral characteristics.[40]
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