[jally]

Hi, I tried googling, but couldn't find the answer to this. I'm hoping someone can advise:

I'm considering un-installing my kitchen sinks/drains (as well as some kitchen cabinets) for reinstallation elsewhere, but is it worth the expense? Note, I would not be keeping the current formica counters - rather just the sinks & some cabinets.

The total is two 18" good quality stainless Steel-Queen sinks/drains, 3 wall cabinets, & 4 base cabinets.

Can a good handyman do this - and what might it cost?

I may soon need to relocate & I'm faced with a quagmire of questions such as the above. I'm wondering which is the best forum where I can ask various questions related to home renovation - or to put it more precisely: Tiny, impractically-built, bi-level condo renovation..

Thanks!

[creahands]

Hi Jally

If the cabinets are of good quality and will work in new location, it can be done.

Are u going to hire someone to do this?

The removal is pretty much straight forward.

The best way to see cost would be to price new cabinets and sinks for new location.

We can help u with removal and install when u are ready.

I think most of your questions can be answered on this site.

Chuck

[speedball1]

I'm wondering which is the best forum where I can ask various questions related to home renovation - or to put it more precisely: Tiny, impractically-built, bi-level condo renovation..

You may post you questions at "Construction", " Interior Home Improvment" or simply post them here and if they need to be moved I can place them in the correct category. Cheers, Tom

[jally]

OK, thanks so much for the info :)

Oh, by the way, I just remembered I have another related question:

I noticed that some 36" sink cabinets have drawers at their base.

I noted that Thomasville has a deeper drawer than Kraftmaid.
Which may be more convenient for storaging deeper items (or more pans)

However, from the plumber's perspective:

Is it harder for plumber to access the drain pipes when the drawer raises the floor of the cabinet?
In other words..
Is a no-frills cabinet easier on the plumber than if there were a deep sink drawer at the base of cabinet?

Just wondering.

[speedball1]

However, from the plumber's perspective:

Is it harder for plumber to access the drain pipes when the drawer raises the floor of the cabinet?
In other words..
Is a no-frills cabinet easier on the plumber than if there were a deep sink drawer at the base of cabinet?

Good Question!
If the trap's higher then the shelf then you'll have no problem.
However, if the shelf is higher then the trap the plumber has three choices.
1) He can cut a notch in the shelf to accommodate the trap. ( never a popular choice)
2) If the stub out's higher then the shelf but not high enough to install the trap without notching the shelf he can build a "S" trap to work around it. (and this is out of code)
3) He can cut into the stack and raise the sanitary tee. (Labor intensive and a real hassle for the plumber, plus more expense for the homeowner.)
I just went through this at my companions house. This was a vanity that she just had to have but it had a drawer that was too high for the trap. She wouldn't let me notch the shelf so I built a trap out of 2" copper fittings. She's happy and I'm off the hook. My advice? Measure the top of the drawer from the floor. Now measure from the floor to the bottom of the trap. If the bottom of the trap's lower then the top of the drawer then get the cabinet without the drawer and make your plumber a happy man. Good luck, Tom

[Milo Dolezal]

Hello Jally:
Here are my 2 cents: Cabinets are worth saving and reinstalling. However, s.s. sink are probably not worth the efforts. S.S sinks are cheap. Unless it is a high end sink, like Kohler Professional or Blanco line. Also, I always install new sink drains, I never reuse old ones.

[jally]

OK, thanks again speedball!

BTW, as mentioned above, the sinks are high end, and so are the strainers (for some reason I always mix up the term "strainers" with "drains". Sorry for the confusion.

P.S. On 2nd thought, I'm still a bit confused - because:

Even assume that a deeper (NON-shallow) drawer has a shelf above it that's lower than the trap,

Still..

If any plumbing needs doing in future, doesn't plumber have an easier vantage point to do the plumbing if he doesn't have to perch on a high shelf practically a hairsbreath away from the pipes?

(as opposed to a lower, no-frills shelf, which is not a hairsbreath away from pipes the way one with a deep drawer is?

That's why, maybe a shallower drawer is more worthwhile than a deeper drawer? Or even no drawer at all?

Have any kitchen designers or plumbers made an analysis of the pro's and con's of this issue? Like surveying people who own and use no-frills sinks cabinets vs. owners of deep-drawer ones vs. owners of shallow-drawer ones?

OMG, as I was typing this another issue popped into my head but a second later I forgot it. And for the life of me I can't retrieve it. I wish I could pop a new hard drive into my antiquated cerebrum.

[creahands]

Hey Jally

CRS (can't remember s***) is normal after a certain amount of time on this earth. Don't worry until u get C.R.A.F.T.

The only problem with a draw under sink is relative to size of plumber. Have to make sure he is skinny. LOL

Chuck

[jally]

Hey Jally

CRS (can't remember s***) is normal after a certain amount of time on this earth. Don't worry until u get C.R.A.F.T.

The only problem with a draw under sink is relative to size of plumber. Have to make sure he is skinny. LOL

Chuck

I assume you mean even a shallow drawer can be a problem with a heavyset plumber?

BTW, sometimes people who Can't Remember a F** Thing are better off than anyone else considering the F.T. we're living in today ;)

[creahands]

If your cabinet has 2 doors without a dividing post between doors, it would be workable.

With post between doors it would be like going in a doggy door.

Chuck

[jally]

OK thanks Chuck!

[speedball1]

If any plumbing needs doing in future, doesn't plumber have an easier vantage point to do the plumbing if he doesn't have to perch on a high shelf practically a hairsbreath away from the pipes?

(as opposed to a lower, no-frills shelf, which is not a hairsbreath away from pipes the way one with a deep drawer is?

That's why, maybe a shallower drawer is more worthwhile than a deeper drawer? Or even no drawer at all?

Have any kitchen designers or plumbers made an analysis of the pro's and con's of this issue? Like surveying people who own and use no-frills sinks cabinets vs. owners of deep-drawer ones vs. owners of shallow-drawer ones?

SALUTE !! HATS OFF!! FIRST TIME!! That's the first time inall my many years under a kitchen sink or a bathroom vanity that ANYONE has ever inquired about any discomfort I may have felt laying there with my butt on the floor and my shoulders up on a shelf hooking up the faucet supplies. ( Any body out there identify with that? ) Se thanks Jally whoever you are, you just got my vote. Cheers, Tom,

[retapeta]

New double sink installed but neither will drain well at all. Right sink will drain into the left sink. Any ideas?

[speedball1]

new double sink installed but neither will drain well at all. right sink will drain into the left sink. Any ideas?

If the sinks were connected with a continuous waste and all is clear past the trap then the only thing left is a clog in the horizontal line in the wall.
Remove the "J" band from the trap and send yo9ur snake up into the wall, (see image) You will run into a bend about 8 inches in but once past that you'll only have to put out 6 more feet of snake. Flush with a tub of hot water. Goood luck, Tom

[edwardj]

Unless replacing an s trap... it is illegal to install one by all plumbing codes.

[creahands]

Hi edwardj,

Welcome to the site. U have answered a post that is over 2 years old.

Check top left corner for date of original post.

Chuck