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    Jun 5, 2009, 10:34 AM
    Toilet Keeps Blocking
    Hi
    My toilet has been blocking regular now since we bought the house.
    I have paid for a jet to clear the foul pipe but it returns some months later.
    I think the problem is that my toilet has no stench pipe and as it is a ground floor bathroom and built some years ago on top of original outhouse.
    Would it be that the stench pipe provides oxgen so the flushed toilet can travel down the pipe at force rather than just falling down the foul pipe.
    It sounds plausible and am running out patience and do not want to spend more money getting Dyno-Rod out if this will only re-occur time and time again.
    Any suggestions greatly received.

    :confused:
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    Jun 5, 2009, 10:42 AM
    Look under the vanity cabinet and tell me if the trap looks like this? Back to you, Tom
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    Jun 5, 2009, 10:47 AM

    That stench pipe is a vent stack that allows air to enter the plumbing so your drains do not chug like a pop bottle turned upside down. Total lack of a vent will cause poor draining, gurgling and could contribute to clogs. There are also other causes but tell us more about what the plumber who jetted your line had to tell you. Did he say anything about your plumbing or the lack of a vent? Have you ever removed the toilet and replaced the wax ring?
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    Jun 5, 2009, 10:49 AM

    My Bath and Sink water are separate from my toilet waste but my toilet waste has a concertina type flexible hose which fits onto the downpipe,
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    Jun 5, 2009, 10:56 AM

    Quite unusual, can you post a picture?
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    Jun 5, 2009, 10:56 AM

    The plumber who came out was being paid £98 per hour and was not very informative.
    We tried to find inspection chamber but failed so jetting from downpipe at rear of toilet was only option as the drain rods would not navigate the elbow.
    Luckily this removed blockage at low pressure or else I would have had my bathroom covered in,, new paint colour!!
    The water level in the toilet once receded is lower than usual.
    Hope this helps diagnosis.
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    Jun 5, 2009, 10:58 AM

    A low water level in a toiulet can be caused by a bad or missing vent. Does the tank fill to within a inch of the top of the over flow tube? Where do you live?
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    Jun 5, 2009, 11:05 AM

    Hi
    I live in UK
    All cistern and overflow within specifications
    I have just taken pic of the downpipe but am unsure how to post.
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    Jun 5, 2009, 11:08 AM

    Maybe Tom can help us with that posting. I know you click below on GO ADVANCED and the MANAGE ATTACHMENT but that's the extent of my knowledge, little as it is. Anybody out there willing to help?
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    Jun 5, 2009, 11:19 AM

    Still struggling
    At the rear of the toilet the downpie protrudes the concrete floor by maybe 6"
    This is attatched to the toilet by a flexible concertina type fitting,
    The pipe then falls about 1 metre to the elbow where it travels maybe 5 metres to the main sewer.
    Sewer is in OK condition as are my neighbours and my bath/shower and sink water.
    I think the lack of air inlet is most viable cause.
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    Jun 5, 2009, 11:22 AM

    I am hoping Tom or Mark will come back, I have never seen a flexible pipe coming off a toilet like you describ, seems totally jury rigged and that proably the cause of your problems. A proper toilet should sit on a flange screwed to the floor attached directly to a hard drain pipe 3" or 4" in diameter. toilet drain pipe diagram - Google Image Search
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    Jun 5, 2009, 11:34 AM
    I have just taken pic of the downpipe but am unsure how to post.
    You click on the Go Advanced tab and scroll down to Manage Attachments . Click on that and then click on Browse. You may now attach pictures or files off your hard drive.
    Please answer my question about the lavatory trap.. Regards, tom
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    Jun 5, 2009, 12:10 PM
    Finally managed to do it
    Hope This helps
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    Jun 5, 2009, 12:14 PM

    Unsure what lavatory trap is?
    Uk translation may vary
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    Jun 5, 2009, 12:41 PM
    Quote Originally Posted by RugbyRed View Post
    Unsure what lavatory trap is?
    Uk translation may vary
    A lavatory/vanity is the same as your bathroom sink.
    Ruby, You have a wall hung tank with a rear discharge bowl that someone attempted to adapt to a floor mount with what looks like a dryer flexible vent hose. No wonder you have problems. Do you own this place? Rent?
    Who's responsible for the upkeep and maintenance?
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    Jun 5, 2009, 12:48 PM

    My lavatory trap is as my picture, but my sink is same your picture.
    My sink is not linked to lavatory and is clearly as it should.
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    Jun 5, 2009, 01:04 PM

    Sorry Rugby, I have to back out of this one. I am not familiar with this type of toilet from the UK. We don't have them in the USA so no experience here.
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    Jun 5, 2009, 01:18 PM

    I own this house and it as you described.
    It was renovated before we moved in and obiously badly.
    I thank you and ballengerb1 for all your help with this.
    Kind Regards
    Steve
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    Jun 5, 2009, 04:15 PM
    Sorry Steve,
    You're going to hafta get a -plumber in to straighten this mess out. Get three estimates and go with the one that you're most comfortable with. Good luck, Tom
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    Jun 5, 2009, 04:35 PM

    Got to agree with Tom. This just is not right. Most likely will require breaking up concrete and relocating toilet drain. After that, you should get a floor mount toilet. Please let us know what your plumber has to say.

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