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    Feb 21, 2009, 09:40 AM
    I'm sick of being Catholic on fridays
    Why can't Catholic people eat meat on fridays... and if fish isn't meat then what is it?
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    Feb 21, 2009, 09:41 AM
    It all really depends on how strictly you follow your religion.
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    Feb 21, 2009, 09:42 AM

    Hello Emma:

    Then be Jewish on Friday. What? Who said you couldn't change, and then change back again? We have freedom of religion here in this country.

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    Feb 21, 2009, 10:22 AM
    Quote Originally Posted by Starring_Emma View Post
    Why can't Catholic people eat meat on fridays... and if fish isn't meat then what is it?
    It is indeed meat. Scripture says not to let anyone judge on these things:

    Col 2:16-18
    16 So let no one judge you in food or in drink, or regarding a festival or a new moon or sabbaths, 17 which are a shadow of things to come, but the substance is of Christ.
    NKJV
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    Feb 21, 2009, 10:38 AM

    So you do not wish to give up one item one day a week as a show of faith, I would assume you don't like to fast before communion, don't like to go to confession or more.

    So how old are you and how long have you been catholic
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    Feb 21, 2009, 12:30 PM
    Quote Originally Posted by Fr_Chuck View Post
    So you do not wish to give up one item one day a week as a show of faith, I would assume you don't like to fast before communion, don't like to go to confession or more.

    So how old are you and how long have you been catholic
    I don't mind fasting and I don't mind confession. I just don't like fish unless it's shell fish like crab or lobster.

    I've always been Catholic that's 14 year of fish every Friday.
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    Feb 21, 2009, 12:53 PM

    Ok I'm confused. Why in the WORLD do catholics have to eat fish on Friday? Where is THAT in the Bible? And while we are on the subject of things in the Bible... why would a person need to fast before communion? I've been a Christian for a long time and I have never read those "rules" in scripture. I always thought we were set free to eat what we wanted when we wanted.

    I wouldn't mind eating fish on Friday's.. I LOVE it. I just don't believe it is biblical.
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    Feb 21, 2009, 12:58 PM
    Quote Originally Posted by classyT View Post
    Ok I'm confused. Why in the WORLD do catholics have to eat fish on Friday? where is THAT in the Bible? and while we are on the subject of things in the Bible...why would a person need to fast before communion? I've been a Christian for a long time and i have never read those "rules" in scripture. I always thought we were set free to eat what we wanted when we wanted.

    I wouldn't mind eating fish on Friday's ..i LOVE it. I just don't believe it is biblical.
    Yep, maybe have a good steak one Friday and a nice Salmon the next - works for me!
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    Feb 21, 2009, 01:02 PM

    You don't have to eat FISH, on Friday, you just can't eat other meats, there are 1000's of veggie dishes, in fact a non meat diet is not a bad idea.
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    Feb 21, 2009, 01:50 PM

    1 Timothy 4: "Now the Spirit expressly says that in later times some will depart from the faith by devoting themselves to deceitful spirits and teachings of demons, through the insincerity of liars whose consciences are seared, 3 who forbid marriage and require abstinence from foods that God created to be received with thanksgiving by those who believe and know the truth. 4 For everything created by God is good, and nothing is to be rejected if it is received with thanksgiving, 5 for it is made holy by the word of God and prayer."
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    Feb 21, 2009, 01:55 PM

    It has to do with fasting. Fasting and prayer.
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    Feb 21, 2009, 02:27 PM
    Quote Originally Posted by Fr_Chuck View Post
    It has to do with fasting. Fasting and prayer.
    How is it fasting if one simply exchanges one type of food for another?
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    Feb 21, 2009, 04:35 PM
    Quote Originally Posted by jakester View Post
    1 Timothy 4: "Now the Spirit expressly says that in later times some will depart from the faith by devoting themselves to deceitful spirits and teachings of demons, through the insincerity of liars whose consciences are seared, 3 who forbid marriage and require abstinence from foods that God created to be received with thanksgiving by those who believe and know the truth. 4 For everything created by God is good, and nothing is to be rejected if it is received with thanksgiving, 5 for it is made holy by the word of God and prayer."
    Jakester,

    I would have given you a fabulous rating but I guess I need to spread the love around first. Way to back it up with the word!!
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    Feb 21, 2009, 04:42 PM

    It is doing without something you want, same as giving up something for Lent.

    A fast does not require a complete fast
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    Feb 21, 2009, 05:23 PM
    Quote Originally Posted by Starring_Emma View Post
    Why can't Catholic people eat meat on fridays... and if fish isn't meat then what is it?
    I trust God will judge the heart of each individual and what they have accepted as an act of love.. From what I know about this practice, it was to example what was written in scripture when Christ was tempted by satan.

    "One does not live by bread alone but by every word that comes from the mouth of God"

    Putting the desire of certain meats second to what is written. Whether necessary or not, the act of faithfullness and love being shown in honour of Christ, and His victory over satan.
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    Feb 21, 2009, 06:45 PM
    Quote Originally Posted by Tj3 View Post
    It is indeed meat. Scripture says not to let anyone judge on these things:

    Col 2:16-18
    16 So let no one judge you in food or in drink, or regarding a festival or a new moon or sabbaths, 17 which are a shadow of things to come, but the substance is of Christ.
    NKJV
    I have no idea what that scripture means?

    No one judge you in food or in drink... HUH?
    Or regarding a festival or a new moon or sabaths?. What? Does that mean don't eat on Sundays, or when there is a new moon, or at festivals?
    17 which are a shadow of things to come... 17 what's are to come?
    But the substance is of Christ... Hum... okaaaaay?

    How do you get "don't eat meat on Friday out of the above? And that fish is indeed meat?
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    Feb 21, 2009, 06:51 PM

    I was taught the same way no meat on fridays, and that was something like you have to give it up one day for god. Then I go to visit my dads side of the family and they say no where in the bible does it say you have to cut out meat on Friday. Its all what you believe, do what you feel is right.
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    Feb 21, 2009, 06:51 PM
    Quote Originally Posted by jakester View Post
    1 Timothy 4: "Now the Spirit expressly says that in later times some will depart from the faith by devoting themselves to deceitful spirits and teachings of demons, through the insincerity of liars whose consciences are seared, 3 who forbid marriage and require abstinence from foods that God created to be received with thanksgiving by those who believe and know the truth. 4 For everything created by God is good, and nothing is to be rejected if it is received with thanksgiving, 5 for it is made holy by the word of God and prayer."
    What are you trying to say? That you should eat meat on any day as long as you do it with thanksgiving?

    Who forbid marriage and require abstinence from foods that God created to be received with thanksgiving by those who believe and know the truth. What is the forbidding marriage all about. Who forbids marriage?
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    Feb 21, 2009, 07:04 PM
    Quote Originally Posted by cozyk View Post
    I have no idea what that scripture means?

    No one judge you in food or in drink....HUH?
    Or regarding a festival or a new moon or sabaths?.... What? Does that mean don't eat on Sundays, or when there is a new moon, or at festivals?
    17 which are a shadow of things to come...17 whats are to come?
    but the substance is of Christ.......Hum....okaaaaay?

    How do you get "don't eat meat on Friday out of the above? And that fish is indeed meat?
    I did not get "..don't eat meat on Fridays" from that. I do not agree that there is a scriptural basis for the rule. The point is that we are not to be judged nor judge others based upon religious rules that says that we can or cannot do these things.

    What it means that that the substance is Christ is that if you examine the various OT rituals and the law, these were prophetic of Christ. For example, the passover lamb - that refers to the perfect lab of God sacrificed on the cross. The Sabbath is prophet of the true and perfect rest that we have in Christ.

    The way that this relates to the topic is that these rules are part of the law and those who are in Christ are no longer under the law. Galatians 3 sums it up nicely:

    Gal 3:19-25
    19 What purpose then does the law serve? It was added because of transgressions, till the Seed should come to whom the promise was made; and it was appointed through angels by the hand of a mediator. 20 Now a mediator does not mediate for one only, but God is one. 21 Is the law then against the promises of God? Certainly not! For if there had been a law given which could have given life, truly righteousness would have been by the law. 22 But the Scripture has confined all under sin, that the promise by faith in Jesus Christ might be given to those who believe. 23 But before faith came, we were kept under guard by the law, kept for the faith which would afterward be revealed. 24 Therefore the law was our tutor to bring us to Christ, that we might be justified by faith. 25 But after faith has come, we are no longer under a tutor.
    NKJV


    Lastly - is fish meat?


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    meat

    noun
    1. the flesh of animals (including fishes and birds and snails) used as food
    2. the inner and usually edible part of a seed or grain or nut or fruit stone; "black walnut kernels are difficult to get out of the shell" [syn: kernel]
    3. the choicest or most essential or most vital part of some idea or experience; "the gist of the prosecutor's argument"; "the heart and soul of the Republican Party"; "the nub of the story" [syn: kernel]
    WordNet® 3.0, © 2006 by Princeton University.
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    Feb 21, 2009, 07:53 PM
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