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Feb 12, 2009, 02:39 PM
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Evolution in school
I go to middle school 7th grade and we just started evolution I I think that is wrong I am a christian and do not believe in all that mumbo jumbo I think it is God changing these animals to adapt to the environment so what should I do? Also we are not allowed to be taught religon in school why not evolution I think that is something parents should discuss things like that at home because I know everybody who has to listen to that mumbo jumbo does not believe in it I couldn't care less about it they should use that time for better things that are true. How is evolution any different than religion on whether they should be taught in the classroom and what is this world coming to? Next thing you know they will take out the word God in the pledge of allegiance and did anyone hear about the police officer getting fired for using the word "God" when he prayed that violates freedom of speech and is extremely wrong that goes against everything the bill of rights stands for you could not get more wronger than that that is like saying you hat the U.S.A those people who fired that police officer.:mad:
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Feb 12, 2009, 03:00 PM
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So have your parents discuss this with the teacher and/or the school board.
What I had my kids do, was answer it, "According to the text book, this is the answer...
Teacher hated it, but we threatened them with a discrimination law suit and they backed down.
But actually relgion as comparison relgion can be taught in public school and is taught in many. Also christian groups have rights to have meetings after school and the such.
Evolution is not considered a relgiion but a idea of science.
So you merely pass the course and move on. Please under stand relgious freedom is being taken away little by little every year.
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Feb 12, 2009, 03:10 PM
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The reason why evolution is taught in school is because it is good science, and so as long as your school has science classes it will include evolution, just as it includes topics like physics and geology. Evolution is a founding principal in biology - it's hard to overstate just how significant it is to modern science and understanding how the world works. As such if the school didn't teach you about evolution your education would be horribly short-changed. My suggestion is find a way in your head to accommodate both good science and your religious faith - they need not necessarily be in conflict.
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Feb 12, 2009, 03:39 PM
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My suggestion is that you learn evolution well and in detail. The more you know about something, the better you can argue against it and defend your own beliefs.
The U.S. Constitution provides for the separation between church and state. If schools allow Christian beliefs to be taught, then they will be required to allow Jewish, Muslim, Hindu, Shinto, and all other religions' beliefs to be taught too.
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Feb 12, 2009, 04:38 PM
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From a Christian forum there are some really lame answers to this students dilemma. Teaching or rather force feeding one belief down a students throat and not allowing for differing opinions is just plane wrong. And sadly many many school districts are doing exactly that. Whether I like it or not, WG might have the most sane comments here so far. Understand what they are telling you enough to pass the course, but do not believe for one second that it is right if you do not believe so. At the right opportunity you can use the Bible to explain to them your disbelief of the theory. And really it is only a theory like a lot of others that science has put out in an attempt to explain what they cannot explain without the Bible.
As an alternative, you might talk to your parents and have them write a formal complaint to the school board that under religious beliefs they cannot let their child be taught this lie. And see where that goes. Just another thought.
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Feb 13, 2009, 12:40 AM
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younglady13,
Teaching evolution the right way is something special.
I went to a religious school that taught it correctly as the professor pointed out all of the short coming, holes, just plain assumptions in that THEORY.
But most schools do not teach it that way.
You have had some food advice your should follow here and if you do take the course it does not mean that you have to believe it,
Just do you best to pass the subject and move on in life, praising and following God.
Peace and kindness,
Fred
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Feb 16, 2009, 03:24 PM
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 Originally Posted by younglady13
I go to middle school 7th grade and we just started evolution I I think that is wrong I am a christian and do not believe in all that mumbo jumbo I think it is God changing these animals to adapt to the environment so what should I do?
What should you do? You should learn the ways by which God induces these animals to adapt to their environment. I suspect that if you stated that algebra was "mumbo jumbo" that you didn't want to learn, you would not get so much support here.
The basic idea of evolution is that species change over time and that all organisms are related to each another. Different species can be closely related, like coyotes and wolves, or they can be more distantly related, like polar bears and panda bears. But even the most distantly related species share some genes--for example, humans and yeasts. That's how we know we are all related, like one big family.
There are several ways that evolutionary change can occur. The most well known and probably the most important mechanism for evolution is "natural selection."
Natural selection is very simple. Individuals vary and some reproduce better than others. Just as everyone you know is unique, so plants and animals are unique. The ones that are better adapted to their particular environment tend to have more offspring (babies). That's it. If you can learn this, you are ahead of 75 percent of people in your class. Keep the big picture in mind.
Science and religion are two different things. No need to try to combine them.
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Feb 16, 2009, 07:41 PM
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asking.
That is a very good answer.
However I do combine my religion with science and I find that in many cases they are compatible.
Peace and kindness,
Fred
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Feb 16, 2009, 07:49 PM
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I think we agree.
Younglady can learn evolution now and decide later how much of it conflicts with her religious beliefs and if that's a problem or not. There are lots of ways to combine science and religion. And if, for her they aren't compatible, that's her prerogative, but at least she will know what she is rejecting.
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Feb 16, 2009, 08:28 PM
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asking,
Yes, that is very true.
Fred
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Feb 16, 2009, 08:44 PM
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You are great, Fred.
asking
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Feb 17, 2009, 02:32 AM
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That is nice to ask.. But you need to understand that, Evolution do not take God out of the picture.. In the becaning, God had greated earth, and said: let be light, because darkness was aleady there.
God is the Greator.. And remember that the Evolution could be a part of which God himself greated for us.
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Feb 17, 2009, 08:38 PM
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samdarwen,
Yes I do believe that evolution is a part f God's creative plan.
Peace and kindness,
Fred
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Mar 3, 2009, 01:53 PM
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The key words in your question are "just started". You "just started", but already have a strong opinion about the subject. How is that possible? It is very hard to believe in something you have never met before or you have never experienced, seen, or felt. Just be open-minded and trust your teacher's experience, and you will be rewarded. As far as evolution goes, you do not have to believe in the evolution theory, as well as in any other scientific theory. Theories are not invented for people to believe in them. Any theory is a tool. Think of relativity theory in physics or number theory in math. You either find a scientific theory (like any other tool) useful for your work or try to improve or replace it with a better theory (tool). That's it. Just study well and get good grades in this class. For your information: even the Big Boss from Vatican has recently approved the theory of evolution. So, there is no way out of this but study.
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Mar 3, 2009, 09:57 PM
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harum,
That's very good advice.
Fred
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Mar 5, 2009, 07:12 PM
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That is very true Harum. There are many religious people that accept evolution, in fact most young-world creationists have accepted evolution but interpret it in their own way, which is fine.
Take these people's advice about learning about the subject and making your own decisions; don't go into something with assumptions, especially when you know nothing about it.
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Mar 5, 2009, 07:14 PM
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 Originally Posted by xxariesxx
That is very true Harum. There are many religious people that accept evolution, in fact most young-world creationists have accepted evolution but interpret it in their own way, which is fine.
I have never heard of or met a YEC who accepts evolution. Most have examined the evidence and found that the evidence leans against evolution.
Where did you hear that the majority of YECs accept evolution?
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Mar 5, 2009, 09:45 PM
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It is good advice to try to learn and get good grades in any school subject whether you believe it or not.
Peace and kindness,
Fred
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Mar 5, 2009, 09:54 PM
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And learning to listen well without judging is a useful skill.
This is exactly what I think is wrong with the education system today. Critical thinking is suppressed. I believe that is is no less than a crime to tell students not to judge what they are being taught by checking out things for themselves.
Teaching kids not to judge what they are taught is why so many are sucked into gangs and cults, and are unable to take a stand on a matter of principle. After all, whatever they are taught is what the majority believes and that is what they must believe, right?
It is frightening to think what an immense amount of damage such an approach will do to our children and society as a whole moving forward. We have one good example of where it leads in a powerful European country 70 some year ago.
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Mar 5, 2009, 10:53 PM
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Tj3,
I agree that for schools and teachers to attempt to take judgment away from students is a very harmful thing in many ways.
Students should be encouraged to think for themselves and reach reasonable conclusions.
Peace and kindness,
Fred
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