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techpro · Feb 3, 2009, 12:29 PM

I have been trying to study as much as I can about the book of Revelations, but I have been having a hard time understanding some of the content, can anyone help me to better understand this book!
Any help is appreciated!

sndbay · Feb 3, 2009, 02:43 PM

That's a big question with a huge answer... Let me just give you an example

The book of Revelation means to uncover and reveal. John is taken to bear record to what he will be shown of the future.

First John is taken to the Lord's Day (1:10) and will be shown what is said by Our Lord concerning the 7 churches. Those are the seven candlesticks. (1:20)

The important fact known is that only 2 churches out of 7 will God be pleased in what they teach.

By chapter 4 John come up to heaven... And he is put in the spiritual form (4:2) seeing God on the throne. The four and twenty seats in (4:4) would be the courses of the sons of Aaron refer: (1 Chron, 24).

The seven lamps of fire (4:5) can be refer: in (Zech 4:2-10) as the eyes of the Lord which run to and fro through the earth. Also known as the Spirits of God.. Power, Riches, Wisdom, Strength, Honour, Glory, and Blessing.(Revel 5:12)

Hope that was some help

Wondergirl · Feb 3, 2009, 02:46 PM

The Book of Revelation was written in code and describes events (mystically) that have already taken place.

classyT · Feb 3, 2009, 03:42 PM

I'd be happy to try and help you make sense of it. You need to narrow down what it is that you don't understand. I do not agree with wondergirl on this or Snd. Also to understand this book, you need to understand Daniel and some of the old testament prophecies.

techpro · Feb 3, 2009, 03:46 PM

Mostly what I don't understand is the seven seal judgements and what they intitle.

classyT · Feb 3, 2009, 04:15 PM

OK... you need to be even MORE specific. I am happy to help. Start with one verse and we will go from there. I am unsure where to begin... lets take it apart. Do you want to start with the white horse? Give me the verse you'd like to start with and this way others can join in the conversation.

sndbay · Feb 3, 2009, 05:30 PM

Originally Posted by techpro

Mostly what i dont understand is the seven seal judgements and what they intitle.

The seals are like that foretold truth you are to have locked in your mind which God has prepared for us. When you watch for these seals, each are evidence to occur. They offer God's path of truth in avoiding the deception that the false christ will brings.

You can also refer: Mark 13:5-27 that speaks of the same evidence ocurring, and it is Christ saying in Mark 13:23 But take ye heed: behold, I have foretold you all things.

IKARIS · Feb 3, 2009, 06:04 PM

My friend it is always good to study any part of the bible. Revelations can be very confusing as it is full of metaphor and allusion. It is also the word of God and can be exciting and give you great hope. My suggestion is to read it several times without any aids. Then begin to exegete (critically interpret) each passage using hermeneutical (hermeneutics is the science of interpretation) aids such as concordances, commentaries, and Key word tools (key words translated in Greek/Hebrew). Several suggestions would be: pray for understanding, ask God to reveal what he wants/needs you to know, ask yourself who the authors audience was/is and what was the author trying to say to his audience. Don't get discouraged. The main point of revelations is that God is in control and the good guys win. If you are covered by the blood of Christ you do not have to worry so much about eschatology (study of the end times), no matter what happens God will take care of you. Your end time could come today - be ready.

arcura · Feb 3, 2009, 11:20 PM

I agree with Wondergirl and IKARIS.
Most of what is in revelation took place many years ago.
Peace and kindness,
Fred

Wondergirl · Feb 4, 2009, 12:25 AM

The book is called "The Revelation to John." Revelation, not Revelations.

sndbay · Feb 4, 2009, 09:02 AM

Let's remember what is written in verse 3:20 and 3:21 of Revelation. "Hear Christ voice"

Revelation 3:20 Behold, I stand at the door, and knock: if any man hear my voice, and open the door, I will come in to him, and will sup with him, and he with me.
Revelation 3:21 To him that overcometh will I grant to sit with me in my throne, even as I also overcame, and am set down with my Father in his throne.

Christ was found to be worthy to open the seals ,( Revel 5:2-5) Christ alone opened the seals ](Revel 5:9)&(Revel 6:1) so that John could bear withness to the Word of God and the testimony of Christ Jesus which were those things John saw---> (Revel 6:2 John saw). Blessed is he that reads it (Revel 1:3)

My heart of love in Christ says we should "hear Christ" and it is the person who seeks to find, that will have a door open to him or her to "hear Christ". Christ testimony says blessed is he that reads, and hears my voice.

Reader: it is your choice, whether it be the seals that Christ opens for us to see, or the written scripture of Mark 13: 8-27, Matthew 24:4-33, or Luke 21:8-32.. They are the voice of Christ saying hear my voice!

IKARIS · Feb 4, 2009, 10:46 AM

Yes, you are correct WG - "Revelation" - my bad. Revelation does not refer, however, to events only in the past (have you even read it). It is not written in code either. It is metaphoric and symbolic in style.

sndbay · Feb 4, 2009, 06:17 PM

Originally Posted by IKARIS

Yes, you are correct WG - "Revelation" - my bad. Revelation does not refer, however, to events only in the past (have you even read it). It is not written in code either. It is metaphoric and symbolic in style.

Revelation 1:1 The Revelation of Jesus Christ, which God gave unto him, to shew unto his servants things which must shortly come to pass; and he sent and signified [it] by his angel unto his servant John:

The Revelation (Greek 602 apokalypsis)

1) laying bare, making naked
2) a disclosure of truth, instruction
a) concerning things before unknown
b) used of events by which things or states or persons hitherto withdrawn from view are made visible to all
3) manifestation, appearance

Gal1:10-12 is a Revelation of Truth..

Gal:1:10-12 For do I now persuade men, or God? Or do I seek to please men? For if I yet pleased men, I should not be the servant of Christ. But I certify you, brethren, that the gospel which was preached of me is not after man. For I neither received it of man, neither was I taught [it], but by the revelation of Jesus Christ.

"Hear Christ Voice"

Wondergirl · Feb 4, 2009, 09:25 PM

Originally Posted by IKARIS

(have you even read it)

I was reading it when I was two, cut my teeth on it.

I'm stickin' to my story -- Revelation was written in code amd is about something that has happened already.

arcura · Feb 4, 2009, 09:54 PM

Yes, I have read it studied ir and taught it.
Peace and kindness,
Fred

classyT · Feb 6, 2009, 10:36 AM

Fred, wondergirl,

Revelation the book that JOHN wrote... has NOT happened. We are the last Church the Lord Jesus spoke about. You are both in error.. but good news. I have come to set you straight... now aren't you happy??

Wondergirl · Feb 6, 2009, 10:44 AM

Originally Posted by classyT

Fred, wondergirl,

Revelation the book that JOHN wrote...has NOT happened. We are the last Church the Lord Jesus spoke about. You are both in error..but good news. I have come to set you straight...now aren't you happy???

You're too late. I knew the truth before you were born.

450donn · Feb 6, 2009, 11:07 AM

I like this:
"Unlike most books of the Bible, Revelation contains it's own title. "The Revelation of Jesus Christ" (1:1) Revelation (GR.,apokalupsis) means an uncovering, an unveiling, or a disclosure. In the NT this word describes the unveiling of spiritual truth (Ro 16-25; Gal1:12; Eph 1:17;3:3), the revealing of the sons of God (ro8:9), Christs incarnation (Lk 2:32) and his glorious appearing at his second coming (2Th 1:7;1Pe 1:7). in all its used Revelation refers to something or someone once hidden, becoming visible. What this book reveals or unveils is Jesus Christ in glory. truths about him and his final victory, that the rest of scripture mearly alludes to, become clearly visible through revelation about Jesus Christ. This revelation was given to him by God the father, and it was communicated to the Apostle john by an angle (rev1:1)"

sndbay · Feb 6, 2009, 12:47 PM

Originally Posted by 450donn

I like this:
This revelation was given to him by God the father, and it was communicated to the Apostle john by an angle (rev1:1)"

For what reason?

Unless we are over looking the reason, to shew unto his servants things which must shortly come to pass... Not things that already came, but things that will come to pass...

450donn · Feb 6, 2009, 01:20 PM

Originally Posted by Wondergirl

I was reading it when I was two, cut my teeth on it.

I'm stickin' to my story -- Revelation was written in code amd is about something that has happened already.

Gee WG, if and that a BIG IF the Book of Revelation was written in code, then how do you know that the things contained in it have already happened??