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    Aug 14, 2008, 08:39 AM
    Communist Party endorses Obama
    CPUSA Online - Editorial: Eye on the Prize

    Enough said .
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    Aug 14, 2008, 08:57 AM
    Well if the Fire Fighters Union Endorses Obama that's good enough for me. Or are you going to call all the brave men and women who risk's their lives everyday pinko's?
    CNN Political Ticker: All politics, all the time Blog Archive - Firefighters union backs Obama « - Blogs from CNN.com
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    Aug 14, 2008, 09:06 AM
    AS if THAT was a surprise! LOL LOL LOL

    Anyone who supports this candidate, is a socialist, communist, "let my government" take care of me, left leaning liberal.

    I don't need the government to "take care of me"!

    I prefer to be in control of my own destiny.

    Name me ONE program, that after the government got it's hands on it, turned out to be better than it was before they got involved?
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    Aug 14, 2008, 09:11 AM
    Quote Originally Posted by tomder55
    enough said .
    Hello tom:

    I don't think it's enough said... Unless you mean to imply that Obama agrees with the Communists...

    If you DO mean that, then clearly McCain agrees with Reverend Hagee, who endorsed him. McCain said he was "very honored" and "very proud" of the endorsement.

    Hmmmm... What did Reverend Hagee stand for?? Let me think...

    Oh yeah. Reverend Hagee thinks the Catholic Church is the "Great Whore", and that Muslims are programmed to kill, and that New Orleans had it coming because they were going to do a gay pride march, and the head of the European Union will be the next Anti-Christ and that the whole world will be soaked in blood and most of the people on the planet will die if we play our cards right.

    NOW enough has been said!

    excon
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    Aug 14, 2008, 09:16 AM
    Still with the name calling I see Pro. If you noticed I haven't really posted to the politcal threads lately because it was getting childish and I decide to post again and I get called names again. Just a shame really.
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    Aug 14, 2008, 09:19 AM
    If the name fits, wear it.

    You can call me a conservative ANY TIME you want to, I don't mind a bit, in fact, make me a good looking lapel pin, and I'll wear it every day.
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    Aug 14, 2008, 09:26 AM
    Hello spit:

    It's true. When they can't argue coherently, they call names. They even think "celebrity" is a bad name. I guess cause nobody likes their guy.

    However, consider that we COULD call them names like Fascists, and barbarians, but we don't because we DO have cogent arguments.

    excon
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    Aug 14, 2008, 09:26 AM
    Well please Pro go down to your local fire station and call everyone there a communist. Or are you only brave when you are sitting at a keyboard?
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    Aug 14, 2008, 09:28 AM
    Quote Originally Posted by spitvenom
    Screwing taxpayers is what unions do, right? "Pittsburgh teacher contract plan may be made public (Union extortion of taxpayers)
    Pittsburgh Tribune-Review ^ | 1/14/08 | Bill Zlatos
    Posted on Monday, January 14, 2008 3:06:43 PM by the_devils_advocate_666
    City schools Superintendent Mark Roosevelt said the school district might soon make public its contract proposal to teachers and warned that a strike could damage his reforms.
    "We believe the public has some right to know what's happening and why," he said Sunday during a break in a school board meeting. "If there's going to be a strike -- and I hope there's not -- then the public has a right to know what the differences between us are."
    As for Obama, "When Barack Obama was seeking AFL-CIO support in the primaries, he promised to sign a bill that would effectively deprive workers of a private-ballot vote in unionization drives." Washington Times - LAMBRO: Courting union votes
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    Aug 14, 2008, 09:34 AM
    Quote Originally Posted by spitvenom
    Well please Pro go down to your local fire station and call everyone there a communist. Or are you only brave when you are sitting at a keyboard?
    I am afraid you are mistaken in your belief that ALL firefighters, support Obama.

    It is the FIREFIGHTERS UNION, that has announced their support for him, not ALL the firefighters.

    Ex, if you are a liberal, and someone calls you a liberal, I fail to see the problem with that.

    Socialism is Communism.

    If you are a Socialist, why can't you be proud of that?

    That's OK, I know it is a hard position to defend.
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    Aug 14, 2008, 09:38 AM
    I did not say the firefighters union is communist . (I wonder what the rank and file say?? ) I pointed out that the Communist Party endorsed him .

    Ex re Hagee
    McCain rejects Hagee's views on Catholics - USATODAY.com

    McCain rejects minister's endorsement - CNN.com

    Still waiting for Obama to reject Communist Party's endorsement .
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    Aug 14, 2008, 09:39 AM
    Quote Originally Posted by progunr
    Socialism is Communism.
    Liar, liar, pants on fire:

    communism - Definition from the Merriam-Webster Online Dictionary
    socialism - Definition from the Merriam-Webster Online Dictionary
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    Aug 14, 2008, 09:41 AM
    Quote Originally Posted by tomder55
    still waiting for Obama to reject Communist Party's endorsement .
    Why? Did he say he was "very honored" and "very proud" of the endorsement? That's why McCain had to throw Hagee under the bus and flip-flop.
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    Aug 14, 2008, 09:46 AM
    Would you care to point out the HUGE difference between those two definitions?

    Seems to me they are both defined VERY closely?

    Close enough to mean basically the same thing.
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    Aug 14, 2008, 09:48 AM
    You're a big boy, you can figure it out.
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    Aug 14, 2008, 09:49 AM
    Your right ALL firefighters are not going to vote for him. So do this find One firefighter who is an Obama supporter in REAL LIFE not the internet and call them a communist to their face. But lets be real you won't cause you lose your power of being anonymous.
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    Aug 14, 2008, 09:52 AM
    Quote Originally Posted by NeedKarma
    You're a big boy, you can figure it out.
    That is a GREAT response, when you can't provide an answer with any substance.

    Already did, socialism and communism, are equally deplorable to me, and share almost the exact definition in Websters Dictionary.

    There.
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    #18

    Aug 14, 2008, 09:53 AM
    Ok. To each his own.
    Have a great day!
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    Aug 14, 2008, 09:56 AM
    Quote Originally Posted by NeedKarma
    Ok. To each his own.
    Have a great day!
    I will.

    You too!
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    Aug 14, 2008, 09:59 AM
    Hello Prog:

    Liberalism isn't socialisim/communisim, just the same as conservatism isn't fascism/Nazism. Apply the labels correctly, and you'll get no argument from me.

    I'm a libertarian, however. Libertarianism takes the best from the left and the best from the right. Some of my views are ULTRA liberal, so I'll embrace the term proudly. Some of my views are ULTRA conservative, and that's cool with me. But, I don't see them as in conflict with my ULTRA left ones. It's YOU who are conflicted.

    For example, the drug war, although disguised as a conservative program is as socialistic and communistic as you get. MOST conservatives won't get that - but I'll bet YOU will.

    excon

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