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nc8861 · Jul 30, 2008, 07:22 AM

We had a single sink vanity in place. Now we're remodeling and will be getting a 60" double sink vanity. Unfortunately I cannot use the stubs/drain that are existing, because the vanity has cabinet/drawer vertical supports that are right where the current supplies stub out.

Can someone tell me how to go about resolving this? I can sweat pipes and know about the fittings for the drain, and the tees, elbows, etc. My main concern is the layout & design since I'm not a plumber. Mainly the drain line - I'll have to drill large holes through several studs to pass the ABS drain through to both sinks. What is code restriction on size of holes to drill through studs? And how many holes can I drill and how far vertically between each hole? I'll have to drill holes for hot, cold, and drain of course.

hkstroud · Jul 30, 2008, 07:46 AM

First check the thickness of the wall, it has to be a 6 wall to get drain pipes through stud. If so, you drill 2 1/2" hole in center leaving 1 1/2 wood to each edge. Or you notch stud and put nail plate over notch. Drain slopes 1/4" per foot. You need 1 1/2 wood to edge for nail protection or nail plates, other than that put supply where you want.

nc8861 · Jul 30, 2008, 07:48 AM

Hmmm... just 2x4 wall (exterior). I guess when my house was built 30 years ago the code was different.

In this case what do I do?

hkstroud · Jul 30, 2008, 07:58 AM

Well you are not going to be able to go through studs. Unless you live where it never freezes you can't put supply in exterior wall. Can you go below, change drainage and come up wall where you need?

nc8861 · Jul 30, 2008, 08:28 AM

I'm in NC - freezes some, but nothing like the northeast or midwest. These supplies for the sink have been in an exterior wall for 30 years.

Also, the drain is already cut through the 2x4 stud as it is - always been that way. Not sure where to go from here.

ballengerb1 · Jul 30, 2008, 08:32 AM

Are you pulling a permit for this job, will you be inspected?

nc8861 · Jul 30, 2008, 08:35 AM

I have not pulled a permit and will not be inspected (there were electrical things that would have had to come up to code that would have made my cost astronomical). That being said - I don't want to cut any corners... I want to do everything up to code within good reason. I.e. if I'm not suupposed to drill through a 2x4, then I want to figure out how to do it right.

ballengerb1 · Jul 30, 2008, 08:41 AM

You may have to create all of your drain lines inside the vanity cabinet and then try to exit into the old lateral drain line. Sounds like this would be difficult due to drawers and cabinet walls/supports. Codes are there for a reason, usually someone tried something and it failed so the code was written to prevent pthers from the same mistake. Most of us will shy away from giving advice on skirting code. Maybe the polumbers will pick up on this and have a better slant. Harold's advice re: the studs drilling is correct.

hkstroud · Jul 30, 2008, 08:42 AM

OK, so someone cheated and went through one stud, didn't substantually weaken wall but do you want to go through two or three more. If you have galvanized drain pipe, you ain't going to drive a nail into it. Repeat, can you go under floor?

nc8861 · Jul 30, 2008, 10:29 AM

I repeat! - Definitely not trying to skirt code, and certainly don't want to make my wall weaker! This is why I came to ask you guys.

I believe I could probably go under the floor, adding some more time, but not too bad. However I haven't taken up that part of the floor, so I'm not 100%.

Next questions if I can...
1)If I do go under the floor for the drains, it's OK to drill that whopper hole through the bottom plate of the wall?
2) OK to drill through joists for drainage? If so, I'm presuming I bring them down through the plate into the joist cavity, 1/4 bend & head to where they'll intersect with the existing/main drain, and join in correct?
3) If I pull up the floor to do the drain, should I also handle the supplies in the joist cavity or take them through the studs above the floor (since the holes are smaller).

hkstroud · Jul 30, 2008, 11:32 AM

Correct. Chances are, that if you have a crawl space the horizontial drain pipe will be below the floor joist, not through them. Your choice but I would bring supply up through floor, just to be safe. If horizontial piping is below joist you should be able to tee off drain and come up through wall where you want to. Bottom plate not load bearing between studs and nailed to floor joist so cutting will not harm. Also have to figure out where vent pipe is.

nc8861 · Jul 30, 2008, 11:34 AM

Unfortunately for me this is 2nd story, with kitchen below. So I'll have to go through joists.

hkstroud · Jul 30, 2008, 01:38 PM

What's the posibility of increasing the wall thickness by adding 2x2 to edge of existing studs. Any windows in that wall. Could you give up 1 1/2" of space?

nc8861 · Jul 30, 2008, 01:58 PM

Ugh. There is a window. Also the back of the shower is on that wall, and I just set my plumbing drain in the center (which was a pain!).

ballengerb1 · Jul 30, 2008, 02:02 PM

I am definitely not being arguementative but if you build it to code but skip the permit you are in violation of the code. That's just how town building departments operate. We are still trying to help you with a fix but its difficult when we can't see everything so we keep asking more questions. How about removing the drywall behind the new vanity and setting the vanity another inch or so into the room, is that posible?

nc8861 · Jul 30, 2008, 02:54 PM

I understand your point about the code, but you must also understand mine - I was only adding an outlet in a circuit - the existing circuit was 15A. Code requires dedicated 20A to the sink, to be shared by nothing else. Basically if I got this inspected, I was going to have to pay an electrician & crew to rewire several circuits and run some new ones & fish wire walls... probably $1000 to $1500. All for a $5 outlet.

I will post some pictures later to get some more info.

WWPierre · Jul 30, 2008, 07:35 PM

Waiting for pics before I dive into this. :)

hkstroud · Jul 30, 2008, 07:53 PM

You can handle the window, could you build out the wall up to or beyond the end of the new vanity then have a joggle in the wall back to original thickness.

nc8861 · Jul 30, 2008, 08:42 PM

Here are two pictures...

Milo Dolezal · Jul 30, 2008, 09:06 PM

In my area it is perfectly OK to drill 2" hole through 2x4 wall. But it has to be drilled not cut with sawzall. Moreover, you will be cutting no more than 1 - 2x4 on each side. You can use 2x 1 1/2" double (cross) SanTee and 1 1/2 pipe to each of your drain. As far as water goes, you can use double angle stops and longer supply lines. Angle stops should fit behind the drawers.