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savedsinner7 · Jul 17, 2008, 08:28 PM

Who is good? What is goodness? And what do these verses speak to you?
The LORD has been showing me that my goodness doesn't cut it. I can never be good enough to earn His favor or His love. I am so thankful that even when I hated God and wouldn't forgive Him, He forgave me and loved me. I am so thankful that He is good and is teaching me to quit striving to be who I think I need to be and to rest in Him and trust Him to change me.

Romans 3:10
As it is written: “ There is none righteous, no, not one;

Romans 3:23 for all have sinned and fall short of the glory of God,

Romans 5:8
But God demonstrates His own love toward us, in that while we were still sinners, Christ died for us.

Isaiah 64:6
But we are all like an unclean thing,And all our righteousnesses are like filthy rags; We all fade as a leaf, And our iniquities, like the wind, Have taken us away.

Exodus 33:19
Then He said, “I will make all My goodness pass before you, and I will proclaim the name of the LORD before you. I will be gracious to whom I will be gracious, and I will have compassion on whom I will have compassion.”

Exodus 34:6
And the LORD passed before him and proclaimed, “The LORD, the LORD God, merciful and gracious, longsuffering, and abounding in goodness and truth,

Psalm 25:8
Good and upright is the LORD;Therefore He teaches sinners in the way.

Deuteronomy 12:28
Observe and obey all these words which I command you, that it may go well with you and your children after you forever, when you do what is good and right in the sight of the LORD your God.

Psalm 33:5
He loves righteousness and justice;The earth is full of the goodness of the LORD.

Psalm 34:8
Oh, taste and see that the LORD is good;Blessed is the man who trusts in Him!

Psalm 86:5
For You, Lord, are good, and ready to forgive,And abundant in mercy to all those who call upon You.

Credendovidis · Jul 19, 2008, 06:24 AM

Who is good? What is goodness?

It all depends on the context. In a general religious sense one can say that "good" is targeted at others, while not (or as little as possible) being at the expense of others.
Goodness refers to the quality or status of being good.

Example : people who insist that non-religious views must be incorrect because they themselves only believe so, and from that view seem to conclude that harassment of all deviating views must be applied and accompanied by insults, are not "GOOD" and lack any "GOODNESS".

The Bible tells people to "go and spread the word". Not to force that word through other people's throats , against their (claimed to be free) will.

Too often practical examples of that behavior can be seen on this board...

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savedsinner7 · Jul 19, 2008, 09:02 AM

How is my posting forcing this down your throat? You are free to not read my post. Goodness is based on God's standard. Not mine. Let your conscience tell you if you are good or not.

Credendovidis · Jul 19, 2008, 02:59 PM

Originally Posted by savedsinner7

How is my posting forcing this down your throat? you are free to not read my post. Goodness is based on God's standard. Not mine. Let your conscience tell you if you are good or not.

Nowhere did I state that I was pointing at you. In answer to your topic question on who is "good" and what is "goodness", I pointed out that the answer to that depends on the context of the question . More important I added that there are many here who
"insist that non-religious views must be incorrect because they themselves only believe so, and from that view seem to conclude that harassment of all deviating views must be applied and accompanied by insults, and (who) aee not "GOOD" and (who) lack any "GOODNESS"".

It are those people who try to force their religious views down other people's throat. If you can't comprehend clear replies, why ask questions to which you already stated earlier not to expect replies? If you just want to post your religious views, why not post these without any question included?

But above all : if you post a question, than expect replies. And react on those replies in an honest fashion, instead of in the way you do now for the second time , as if you were attacked. That is hypocrite as that clearly was not the case, and place you precisely in that group I mentioned earlier...

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savedsinner7 · Jul 19, 2008, 03:07 PM

Well, since I'm the only one who posted here, I think it was fairly safe to assume you were referring to me since my views were the only ones posted. Your respnse did not clarify that I was not included in your blanket statement about religious people. What other conclusion would there be? And for clarity, I do not consider any human good, as the Bible clearly states "there is none who is good, no not one." This includes me.

Also, why did you get offended at my telling you that you are free to not read my post? Isn't that assuming?

How does my stating your freedom to not read my post make me a hypocrite?

Credendovidis · Jul 19, 2008, 03:40 PM

Originally Posted by savedsinner7

Your respnse did not clarify that I was not included in your blanket statement about religious people.

Once again : as in my previous post(s) : in no way I suggested that ! You really have a problem comprehending other people who think different than you do...

Why would you feel that the following lines refer to you? "Example : people who insist that non-religious views must be incorrect because they themselves only believe so, and from that view seem to conclude that harassment of all deviating views must be applied and accompanied by insults, are not "GOOD" and lack any "GOODNESS"" ?

Unless of course you count yourself one of those...

As stated: if you post a question, than expect replies. And react on those replies in an honest fashion, instead of in the way you do now for the third time , as if you were attacked. That is hypocrite as that clearly was not the case, and which places you precisely in that group I mentioned earlier...

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savedsinner7 · Jul 19, 2008, 07:33 PM

Simply restating your previous post, hmmm.

I believe that any opinion that is not inline with the Bible is incorrect, including any I have that do not line up with the word of God. So, if that makes me "one of those" in your eyes, so be it.

Alty · Jul 19, 2008, 07:43 PM

Who is good? What is goodness? I'd have to say the only God and newborn babies are good. We all sin, therefore none of us are completely good. We can do good things, be good to others, but we are not 100% good.

As for earning God's favor and love, I believe that he loves everyone, even the people who don't believe, after all, he created us, therefore he must love us. I believe in a kind, caring forgiving God, otherwise we'd all be doomed, and no one would go to heaven. As I said, we are all sinners.

As for Cred, he really wasn't talking about you, he was referring to me and other people on this board, we've butted heads on other religious discussion threads. Why he's here to answer your post I don't know, seeing as it is a religious post speaking specifically about God, but I do know that the more you fight him the more he'll repeat his posts and the more he'll put you down. Just ignore him. :)

God Bless. :)

savedsinner7 · Jul 19, 2008, 07:55 PM

Thanks for the advice. Bless you...

Credendovidis · Jul 19, 2008, 07:58 PM

Originally Posted by savedsinner7

I believe that any opinion that is not inline with the Bible is incorrect, including any I have that do not line up with the word of God. So, if that makes me "one of those" in your eyes, so be it.

I have no problem you BELIEVING that. That is fine with me.
But please do not claim it is that way...

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savedsinner7 · Jul 19, 2008, 08:12 PM

Originally Posted by Credendovidis

I have no problem you BELIEVING that. That is fine with me.
But please do not claim it is that way ....

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It is the Way.
John 14:6
Jesus told him, “I am the way, the truth, and the life. No one can come to the Father except through me.

Proverbs 3:7
Don’t be impressed with your own wisdom.Instead, fear the Lord and turn away from evil.

Proverbs 21:30
No human wisdom or understanding or plan can stand against the Lord.

Proverbs 24:7
Wisdom is too lofty for fools.

Proverbs 28:26
Those who trust their own insight are foolish,but anyone who walks in wisdom is safe.

Ecclesiastes 1:13
I devoted myself to search for understanding and to explore by wisdom everything being done under heaven. I soon discovered that God has dealt a tragic existence to the human race.

Ecclesiastes 7:12
Wisdom and money can get you almost anything, but only wisdom can save your life.

Isaiah 11:2
And the Spirit of the Lord will rest on him—the Spirit of wisdom and understanding,the Spirit of counsel and might, the Spirit of knowledge and the fear of the Lord.

Luke 2:52
Jesus grew in wisdom and in stature and in favor with God and all the people.

Wisdom is in the LORD.

Alty · Jul 19, 2008, 08:19 PM

Saved sinner, you cannot expect an atheist to understand God and or people who believe in God, really, you won't get through, it will just start a fight, take it from someone who knows. Bible verses and your beliefs won't get through at all.

Be happy with your faith, that you have found such a love for God, hold it dear, you know what you believe, don't let someone who doesn't try to make light of your beliefs.

Trust me, let it go, walk away, you cannot win a fixed game.

God bless.

savedsinner7 · Jul 19, 2008, 08:24 PM

I will use the Word to bring Truth.

2 Corinthians 10:4
We use God's mighty weapons, not worldly weapons, to knock down the strongholds of human reasoning and to destroy false arguments.

Alty · Jul 19, 2008, 08:24 PM

Originally Posted by Credendovidis

I have no problem you BELIEVING that. That is fine with me.
But please do not claim it is that way ....

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Cred, it's his way, not yours, that's why you don't understand. He has a right to claim that it is the way, because of his belief in the bible and God. You do not have the right to tell him otherwise. Believe or not, like it or not, the bible does exist, and the quotes he's posted are from the bible, so he has support for what he claims.

I thought you claimed not to go on the religious boards to discuss religion. Clearly this thread is about religion, and the OP wishes to discuss his beliefs with others that believe, not to argue with an atheist.

For once back down before this turns in to another huge fight.

Thank you.

savedsinner7 · Jul 19, 2008, 08:25 PM

I am a woman... But, it's really God's way.

Alty · Jul 19, 2008, 08:31 PM

Originally Posted by savedsinner7

I am a woman.....But, it's really God's way.

Sorry, I didn't know. You have a strong belief, and that's good, and to you God is the only way, but you have to realize that not everyone feels that way. I don't know why non-believers feel the need to come to religious threads and start a fight, but they do.

You are set in your beliefs, so is Cred, you won't persuade him of God anymore than he will persuade you that God does not exist.

Just stick to your beliefs, spread the word to people who will listen with an open mind and heart. Fighting with an atheist is a losing battle. You could post the whole bible, it won't change his mind.

I hope you two can agree to disagree and let it go. Remember what the post is about. Who is good? Well, the person who backs down is good.

God bless.

Credendovidis · Jul 19, 2008, 08:32 PM

Originally Posted by Altenweg

Cred, it's his way, not yours, that's why you don't understand. He has a right to claim that it is the way.

WRONG ! As usual you are again WRONG !
She has a right to believe whatever she wants !
But if you claim something to be so, you can be asked to prove that with objective supporting evidence .
And she has already stated before that she refuses to prove or even debate anything.
If it is that way depends on the reality. And reality is not based on belief but on facts.

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Alty · Jul 19, 2008, 08:41 PM

Okay Cred, one last chance, I've asked nicely, but if you continue I will report you. Stop starting fights in threads talking about people's beliefs in God. If you don't like the way the words are used then move on. Not everyone wants to hear your 2 cents worth.

To a person who believes in God that is reality and a fact, I don't expect you to understand, but please let it go.

I'm asking you to step back for once in your life and let someone believe what they want without you coming to criticize.

Please.

savedsinner7 · Jul 19, 2008, 08:42 PM

Ok. Look at my post a couple of posts above for your evidence...

Credendovidis · Jul 19, 2008, 08:52 PM

Originally Posted by Altenweg

Okay Cred, one last chanc

Just report me, if you want. But make sure to prove your wild claim that I start fights in threads talking about people's beliefs in God.
I do NOT attack people's belief. Never done that, never will do that.
That is what you claim and seem to insist on that I do.
All I do is point out the difference there is between BELIEVING IN and the REALITY .
savedsinner7 picked that up, I am sure.
You never showed to be capable of understanding the difference. And it is you who twists debates into a fight !

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