[ravana2]

Do you support n.a.u. What is it all about ? Here in europe we have european union and it look like it work . How many people support this n.a.u.

[tomder55]

Tell me when the EU constitution is passed that the Europeans support the EU over national sovereignty . I will never support a quasi-government of unelected bureaucrats .

[ravana2]

There will be a new administrative division of europe . Now it use word "territorial units for statistic . " there will be no states in eu in few decades .

Type in " nomenclature of territorial units for statistic " at wikipedia and find out more .

By the way most of european countries are ethnic country of some nation . Usa and canada are definitely not .

[tomder55]

N.U.T.S. how fitting!!
Nomenclature of Territorial Units for Statistics - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
That just fortifies my point. They are not forging a nation ;just technocratic mumbo-jumbo forcing peoples of different nations and cultures together for the smooth transfer of goods . The only thing unifying in the EU is the currency. They will fail in their attempt to forge a unified political Europe . Caesars have failed to do so in the past and this bureaucratic puschitz will ultimately fail also.

They tried to pass the Constitution and France and the Dutch rejected it. They resurrected a confusing and muddled version of it

What was done in the [Lisbon] Treaty, and deliberately, was to mix everything up. If you look for the passages on institutions, they're in different places, on different pages," he said.
"Someone who wanted to understand how the thing worked could with the Constitutional Treaty, but not with this one."

Valéry Giscard d'Estaing

Still the Irish apparently rejected it. But not to be undone Giscard d'Estaing has changed the rules and now says that it doesn't need unanamous consent of the members to pass.

France and Germany are putting pressure on Ireland to hold a second referendum which would allow the Lisbon Treaty to come into force before European elections on June 4 2009.
Mr Giscard d'Estaing believes "there is no alternative" to a second Irish vote, a view shared by Nicolas Sarkozy, the French President.
Mr Sarkozy, who takes over the EU's rotating presidency next week, will use a Brussels summit on October 15 to force Ireland to find a way out of Europe's Treaty difficulties.
"Everyone agrees it has to be sorted out by the time of European elections," he said at the weekend.
Václav Klaus, the Czech President has continued to insist that the Lisbon Treaty "cannot come into force" after the Irish vote.
"The EU cannot ignore its own rules. The Lisbon Treaty has been roundly and democratically rejected by Ireland, and it therefore cannot come into force," he told El Pais newspaper.
"Any attempt to ignore this fact and make recourse to pressure and political manipulation to move the treaty forward would have disastrous consequences."
Mark François, Conservative spokesman on Europe, also insisted that it was time that European politicians started to respect the Irish No vote.
"The Irish people gave an emphatic No to the Treaty of Lisbon on a record turnout and it would be good for politicians of all countries to respect this democratic decision," he said.

EU Constitution author says referendums can be ignored - Telegraph
Government that is not derived from the consent of the governed is tyranny .

[ravana2]

Every country accept european laws on here on stage . For example great britain and ireland are not jet in schengen agreement . Some eu countries will implement it later . ( see map ) .

Schengen Agreement - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Some other are still out of euro zone .

Euro - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

But that is just a different speed for different country . About the irish no : there will be a new referendum and this time catholic church support yes answer . You know how big is a iflueance of church on Irish people .

When n.u.t.s. become more operative they will be a elecional districts and the units will be represented in european parliament not countries any more .

By the way who care for this slow pacers ? e.u. will exist without it . There are more interestin spreading of e.u. on coteries of west balkan ,

[tomder55]

Yes of course I get it ; being from Croatia you see a benefit in having economic ties with western Europe.

[speechlesstx]

No way would I want to relinquish our sovereignty to any NAU. Besides, with the way our Supreme Court is basing rulings and the leftists desire to be like (and be liked by) Europe, I expect Obama to make joining the EU a part of his platform. :D

[ravana2]

There are advantages of eu-usa economical ties . Usa goods are every day chipper and chipper in europe because dollar foll .

[Galveston1]

The further away from the grassroots a government is, the less responsive it is to personal liberty. That would be true for a NA union, the UN, or the World Court. I am adamantly against ANY surrender of USA sovereignty.

[excon]

Hello r:

From a security perspective, it's a great idea. It's much easier guarding oceanfront than 6,000 miles of unguarded and unfenced land borders. We just need to make Mexico and Canada states. That'll make the illegal immigration issue go away, and it'll probably stop the narco traffic in cocaine from Columbia (which transists through Mexico).

Plus, Mexico and Canada have plenty of oil! Yeah, I think it's a perty good idea.

excon

[ravana2]

Usa is artificial formation created some 200 years ago . How someone can be an american nationalist ?

[tomder55]

Yeah I get it... from this and your other posting that you are a world government advocate.

What is more artificial than the borders of the Balkans? Thousands of years of blood have carved them out. Maybe it was better when they were united together under the jack-boots of Tito ?

Tell me ;what is more artificial than this attempt to forge a union out of European nations each divided by distinctive languages and customs ?

[ravana2]

Tito was OK from my point of view . He united us and made us pride of our country . But then came nationalists and the war started .

Eu is not a super-state just economic union . By the way eu suggest that in state schools children should learn 2 foreign languages beside there mother one .

I had english , french and latin as obligate subjects in high school . What about you ? What language you know beside english ?

Yugoslavia means south-slavia or state of southern slavs . So at least have some ethic origin .

[tomder55]

tito was OK from my point of view . He united us and made us pride of our country .

Typically Europeans "unite" under dictatorships . What makes you think the EU would be any different ? Right now all it is is an economic union. But the bureurocrats in Brussels dreams of much more.

[ravana2]

What about american paranoia ? Oil-greedy cowboy will start a war where ever he see barrel . " give as your oil or we will implement democracy with our tanks ! "

Europe leaved colonialism few decades ago but us predatorial-capitalists still like that idea . Afganistan , iraq... iran . Who is next ? Ask oil companies what happened 911 . They know it .

[tomder55]

Why don't you admit it ? You liked Tito ; you want World Government... just say you are a Communist and leave it at that .

[ravana2]

I am more like social-democrat but you probably don't see a difference . Your answer is typical argumentum ad hominem . You don't know what to say and then you attack me .

Ad hominem - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Rather think about democratically elected governmet of saudi arabia . Or you don't attack your oil partner in crime ?

[Galveston1]

Ravana, you've got a hard sell on that NAU thing here. Just as well give it up. Just like Tom says, we recognize Communist propaganda when we see it.

[ravana2]

It is more like capitalist idea but OK you have right for your view .