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BossMan
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May 7, 2008, 03:21 PM
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Is America really ready...
Seriously is America really ready and prepared for a Black or Female President??
I'm not looking for political rhetoric here, just honest opinions.
Also which would be your preference.
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Ultra Member
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May 7, 2008, 03:24 PM
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For the majority of the US, we are ready! Honestly , the only way we as Americans are ever going to be FULLY ready is to JUST DO IT!
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Expert
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May 7, 2008, 04:05 PM
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There is still far too much racial hatred, often hiden behind smiles and acting polictially correct. But just a look at far too many churches and other groups, I will not name denominations, but in how many cities are there black and white churches of this type of that type. And in one local church here, that has a racial mix, there is still serious racial issues because of a new black pastor ( all the previous have always been white)
So many in America still does not accept a mixed race couple.
On the surface America puts on a happy face of racial love but in many places in the south, the AMERICAN LEGION still have separate white and black POSTS, So just like those of the other party will not accept anything Bush wants because he or his party wants it, you will have the issues that the other party will be against anything he wants just because he or his party wants it, but every thing he does will be second thought from a racial view point
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Ultra Member
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May 7, 2008, 04:14 PM
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I agree with you on the southern states of the US, FrChuck... 100%. However, there will ALWAYS be racial issues; they will never dissipate. It's either now or never; something has to get the ball going.
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Senior Member
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May 7, 2008, 06:57 PM
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I am ready to vote BEYOND racial or gender identities. I think it insulting to the candidates that they are being voted for first and foremost based on their race or gender. Is this really "post racial" MLK ideals?
I will vote for the candidate that I agree with most on the majority of issues - Economy, taxes, health, Iraq/Afghanistan/terror, abortion, immigration, 2nd amendment, energy, freedom of speech, property rights etc...
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Expert
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May 7, 2008, 07:04 PM
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I know I was in real America today * the local Dollar Store and Walmart** and they were not even calling the people by name, they were talking black ( or worst) and women and they were voting not for what the people stood for but because of race or sex. I asked them some questions on issues and was called a rasist by the Obama supporters for questioning his stand on some subject.
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Ultra Member
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May 7, 2008, 07:56 PM
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The answer is yes, but not for Obama or Hillary. Colin Powell could run as a Democrat or Republican and win, as long as he stayed 'middle of the road', at least in this election cycle. Colin Powell - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
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Ultra Member
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May 7, 2008, 11:26 PM
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Not what I have seen as an outsider looking in! Unfortunate!
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Uber Member
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May 8, 2008, 03:54 AM
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I see another side of it. I see that in some cases so many go overboard with PC... so I think that there are plenty who would vote for someone because they are black or female.
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Ultra Member
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May 8, 2008, 06:07 AM
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 Originally Posted by Skell
Not what i have seen as an outsider looking in! Unfortunate!
Some of you need to wake up and smell the roses, so to speak. I live in a small community, Deep South, probably 75% white; the local city government, with district wide voting, elected its first black commissioner thirty years ago! Claims of cultural shift in deep south put to test | World news | The Guardian
Why don't you give some serious consideration to who Obama is? Do you believe he just appeared out of thin air to run for president? Do you believe Jimmy Carter appeared in 1974 when he announced his candidacy? Remember this is the USA, with many powerful people and institutions. Obama did not just wake up one day and decide, "Hey, I'm running for president."
He is first and foremost a Democrat, as is Hillary. Without beginning to research this subject, it stands to reason that very powerful Democrats did not want Hillary, who thought she had the nomination in the bag by Super Tuesday. And how were they going to sell Obama to America's gullible and uninformed public? Why Obama is a man of the people; he gets five and ten dollar donations over the internet; why, Obama is part white, a true American of mixed races. And, he is bi-partisan.
Obama was provided with a veneer that has been seriously worn and undermined. But he is a creation of the anti-Clinton Democrat activists who decided they had enough of that crowd. Obama has none of the qualities that would qualify him as a serious contender for the office he seeks. Remember, the Democrat Party is controlled by the far left, and after eight years out of office, the Clinton machine has been practically immobilized.
The Jimmy Carter race is the closest thing I can compare this year's contest with. Carter v. the unelected Gerald Ford. It was a matter of shaming Republicans with the mistakes of Nixon, and contrasting that image with the intelligent, reform-minded, governor of Georgia. The parallels are already in play with Democrats taunting McCain as a third term for Bush. The fact is that Bush is really more of a centrist Democrat than a Reagan Republican; but that's another subject.
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Uber Member
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May 8, 2008, 06:08 AM
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You can kiss the woman part bye-bye: Hillary is 404
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Ultra Member
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May 8, 2008, 06:12 AM
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I voted yes . There are many experienced and competent Blacks and Females I'd have no problem voting for. Had Condi Rice decided to run we would've had a Black Female competent experienced candidate . It would have been interesting to see if the Dems would've then called the election historic.
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Expert
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May 8, 2008, 06:16 AM
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Hell yes, America is more than ready, if for no other reason than fixing what is broken. Not pointing fingers, but..!
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Ultra Member
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May 8, 2008, 06:24 AM
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Curlyben
Bottom line is that there is a high degree of probability that the Democrat candidate will win . McCain is going out of his way in the last couple of weeks to put a fork in his candidacy by alienating his Republican base.
I guess the big positive of that will be that questions about the gender or race of the American President will be consigned to the trash heap.
If we can survive 4 years of their nanny-state policies perhaps we will follow the lead of Europeean countries like France ,Germany , Italy ,(even London!! They got rid of "Red Ken") and say goodby to the socialist leaning governments .
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Ultra Member
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May 8, 2008, 06:54 AM
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 Originally Posted by tomder55
I voted yes . There are many experienced and competent Blacks and Females I'd have no problem voting for. Had Condi Rice decided to run we would've had a Black Female competent experienced candidate . It would have been interesting to see if the Dems would've then called the election historic.
It's funny: Bill Clinton is "blacker" than Condi Rice or Clarence Thomas, not to mention numerous black intellectuals who are ignored by MSM.
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Ultra Member
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May 8, 2008, 06:59 AM
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 Originally Posted by tomder55
Curlyben
Bottom line is that there is a high degree of probability that the Democrat candidate will win . McCain is going out of his way in the last couple of weeks to put a fork in his candidacy by alienating his Republican base.
I believe your prediction is based more upon emotion than intellect. What are they saying in Vegas? It is almost six months before election day, more than an eternity in politics. We may be in a period of historic realignment; give McCain some slack. He can run against Congress, something Obama can't do. My prediction is that voters will be sorely tired of Obama by November.
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BossMan
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May 8, 2008, 07:03 AM
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 Originally Posted by tomder55
Curlyben
Bottom line is that there is a high degree of probability that the Democrat candidate will win . McCain is going out of his way in the last couple of weeks to put a fork in his candidacy by alienating his Republican base.
Tomder, don't get me wrong, but I'm glad to see American politics join the 21st Century.
I guess the big positive of that will be that questions about the gender or race of the American President will be consigned to the trash heap..
They would go down in history for being a FIRST in America, like our own Margaret_Thatcher.
The only thing that really matters is that they are American.
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Ultra Member
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May 8, 2008, 07:13 AM
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 Originally Posted by Curlyben
Tomder, don't get me wrong, but I'm glad to see American politics join the 21st Century. They would go down in history for being a FIRST in America, like our own Margaret_Thatcher.
The only thing that really matters is that they are American.
Neither Obama or Hillary, or the combination of both, compare to Thatcher; I'm willing to wait until someone of that substance is ready.
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BossMan
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May 8, 2008, 07:23 AM
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I meat that either would be a FIRST in American history, that was the only comparison I was drawing here ;)
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Ultra Member
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May 8, 2008, 07:24 AM
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I believe your prediction is based more upon emotion than intellect.
Perhaps ;if his historic realignment leaves conservatives out of the tent then even if he wins we lose.
Yeah ;there was a lot of emotion when I heard him smack down the NC Republicans for using an ad that had Rev Wright video in it. And last night I was steaming when he flipped on his promise to make border enforcement his immigration priority . He is now back saying the same stuff about "comprehensive reform " that we already know is code for amnesty.
He can run against Congress, something Obama can't do.
True in the sense that he makes a good case about not requesting earmarks . However ;he has a big footprint himself in Congress and his name is up front on a lot of legislation I'm not thrilled about.
The other day he was making some sound arguments about judicial apointments then he blew it by reminding us that he was one of the leaders of the "Gang of 14" .
Don't get me wrong . He is heads and tails above the Democrats in the issue of national security and the war by jihadists on us. He also has a better resume and is right about government spending .So he will get my vote. But it would be nice to know that he considered my vote for him important.
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