[magprob]

The power brokers play both sides of the fence. It is twice as profitable you know.

[Galveston1]

Our country is responsible for 9-11?? What about the previous years, about 25 or so, when these same people were attacking us wherever possible? "W" is responsible for the war in Afganastan and Iraq? Congress approved that war, Clinton included and most of the liberals too. I admit that government is way too big, and states rights have dissappeared, but let's keep facts straight.

[magprob]

You need to keep the facts straight. If our government didn't overthrow other governments, lend them dollars at compound interest that they can never pay back, then rape and pillage their natural resources for the service, the rest of the world would not be flying planes into our buildings. That's the real facts that you need to wake up to before these mad men destroy us all... which is close to happening because people like you believe every word they tell you.

[N0help4u]

Yeah our money is worth less than other countries now because they are so in debt and they are printing more money than they were ever meant to do.
I will never say our government was responsible for 9-11
BUT I do believe it was like here is some dynamite, here is a match
Turn their backs and deny what MIGHT happen.

[magprob]

I said they were indirectly responsible because of their evil deeds around the world. What goes around, comes around. We all have to pay for their greed and power hunger.
As far as printing too much money... don't get me started!

[N0help4u]

Exactly! I was just saying that SOME people do believe the extremist conspiracy theories
AND many people think that when you start talking conspiracies you must be one of the extremists. I believe our government is indirectly involved as you say and their agenda IS for the other countries to do whatever while they turn their backs. Then they can say, "oh look how evil that dictator is! We HAVE to DO something.

I seem to be the only one that when Saddam was caught and they convicted him
they said he could have his say and say whatever he wanted. The cameras were all on him and he started to say, "YOUR BUSH, your Bush, he... " and they hurried up and lead him away. I really believe he wanted to say how our government is playing both sides against the middle for their own purpose.

[magprob]

YouTube - Talk by Naomi Wolf - The End of America

[N0help4u]

thanks
I have been looking for the complete list of this --->
Know where I can find it?

I think there are 49 but I have only ever been able to find these 10

TRANSFORM THE WORLD BY CHANGING THE CHILDREN

Change the children first: "The Nazi leadership appreciated the difficulty of indoctrinating the older generation.... They were all the more determined to mold the new generation along Nazi lines. As the leader of the Nazi Teacher's League, Hans Schemm, put it: 'Those who have the youth on their side control the future.'" (416)

Create world-class citizen: "...create a new type of student..." (440)

TEACH POLITICALLY CORRECT BELIEFS AND VALUES

Condition students for the new social and economic order: "German youth must no longer... be confronted with the choice of whether it wishes to grow up in a spirit of materialism or idealism, of racism or internationalism, of religious or godlessness, but it must be consciously shaped according to principles which are recognized as correct...according to the principles of the ideology of National Socialism." (432)

Censorship of contrary models: "The teaching... aimed to encourage a 'consciousness of being German.... In the selection of teaching materials they should eschew those works which 'contradict German feelings or paralyze energies necessary for self-assertion' and only those modern works would be selected which 'have an affinity with the spirit of the new Germany'." (437)

ESTABLISH AN OUTCOME-BASED EDUCATION SYSTEM

Restructure schools and nationalize tests and standards: "the regime endeavored to assert its control over the education system through reorganization and centralization..." (433)

Affective (feeling-centered, attitudinal), not cognitive, learning earns the graduation certificate: "Many pupils believe they can simply drift through for eight years and secure their school-leaving certificate even with minimal intellectual performance... [T]hose pupils who are in positions of leadership... often display unmannerly behavior and laziness at school. In general, it must be said that school discipline has declined to an alarming extent... " (429)

School-to-Work link: "The new movement offered prospects of future employment at a time of massive graduate unemployment." (440)

IMPLEMENT MASTERY LEARNING

Condition students to become social servants, not individuals--but tell the public the opposite: "'... the principal task of the school is the education of youth in the service of... the State in the National Socialist spirit.' This made clear the Nazi's determination to shift the focus of education away from the needs of the individual and the development of his potential as a human being to the requirements of the community of nation and State, of which the individual was a member and to which he must subordinate himself." (436)

Politically correct standards for right and wrong: "Munich professors [were warned]: 'From now on it is not up to you to decide whether something is true, but whether it is in the interest of the national Socialist Revolution." (446)

Set affective, not cognitive, goals (outcomes): "The more enthusiastic they get, the easier are the exams and the sooner they will get a position... The new generation has never had much use for education and reading. Now nothing is demanded of them; on the contrary, knowledge is publicly condemned." (427)

Forget facts. Teach "right" attitudes or "character" through feel-good experiences: An important aspect of Nazi education was the cult of 'Experience' as being more crucial to the development of the individual than the academic process of learning with its stress on 'knowledge'. Unlike knowledge which involves the intellect, experience involved 'feeling' which alone provided access to the deep truths of Nazism which were essentially based on [ideological unity]. Such an 'experience'... was regarded as essential to character-building. (441)

Reject old authority figures through critical thinking and values clarification: "It appealed to the desire of youth to be independent of the adult world and exploited the conflict of generations and the typical tendency for young people to challenge authority figures, whether parents or teachers." (429)

Confuse students' values through shocking stimuli and values clarification exercises (including sex and AIDS education): "...particularly teachers in secondary schools, were alienated by the crudity of its indoctrination." (433)

INFUSE NEW VALUES THROUGH "REAL LIFE" LEARNING

Create new beliefs and values through multicultural and global education: "New courses were introduced in such fields as racial studies, eugenics, and defense studies and there was a new emphasis on pre-history... Law and political science courses were adapted to fit in with the changes introduced by the regime." (446)

Arts, crafts, and multicultural experience: "People told stories, danced and practiced handicrafts..." (423)

Teach math through integrated curriculum: "Other subjects such as math and foreign language were less subject to ideological contamination. Even here however, Nazi ideology could enter by the back door, as is clear from the following tests...: 'Question 95: The construction of a lunatic asylum costs 6 million RM. How many houses at 15,000 RM each could have been built for that amount?'" (438-439)

Peer Counseling: "The slogan 'youth must be led by youth'... was ritually echoed and to some extent followed in practice. But the spirit in which it was applied was very different These young leaders were not representing an autonomous youth culture but were functionaries of an official bureaucracy regimented by rules and regulations and following set patterns of training." (422)

Condition students to compliance: "It was preferred that people should not have a will of their own and should totally subordinate themselves." (428)

Lifelong Learning requires training, testing, remediation, more test and training: "If they have still not become real National Socialists, then they go into the Labor Service and are polished there... And if after six or seven months, there are still remnants of class consciousness or pride in status, then the Wehrmacht will take over the further treatment... and when they return after two or four years then, to prevent them from slipping back into old habits once again, we take them immediately into the SA, SS, etc., and they will not be free again for the rest of their lives." (417)

REQUIRE COMMUNITY SERVICE

"Service learning": "The purpose of labor service was partly practical--to... provide a source of cheap labor--but mainly ideological. It was a part of the cult of community current in the youth movement now manipulated by the Nazis for their own end. Students would be confronted with Real Life and, by being forced to mix with the less privileged sections of the community, would be reminded that they were all [national comrades] together." (440-441)

Mandatory service: "Service in the Hitler Youth is honorary service to the German people. All young people are obliged from the age of 10 to their 19th birthday to serve in the Hitler youth." (420)

Character Education and Cooperative Learning: "We cannot fight our way out of this deep crisis through intellectualism... The school for character... which is a practical test of true comradeship in work and living is irreplaceable... the true, great, practical school is... in the labor camp, for here instruction and words cease and action begins." (441)

REVISE HISTORY

New content: "... in addition to controlling and indoctrinating the teaching profession, reorganizing the education system and establishing new elite schools, the regime sought to influence youth through the content of what was taught in schools." (436) "Relevance" and historical revision: "The course of history must not appear to our young people as a chronicle which strings events together indiscriminately, but, as in a play, only the important events, those which have a major impact on life, should be portrayed." (438)

RETRAIN TEACHERS

First indoctrinate teachers: "The real task of the NSLB is to create the new German educator in the spirit of National Socialism. It is being carried out with the same methods with which the movement has conquered the whole nation: indoctrination and propaganda." (432)

Certify compliant teachers. "The Nazi party... realized they could do little with the existing professors if they outwardly conformed. They concentrated, therefore, on trying to transform the profession by controlling entry and promotion within it throgh process of political indoctrination... " (444)

The oppressive tactics of the NEA: "Teachers were, however, also subject to control from their professional association, the National Socialist Teachers' League (NSLB)... it expanded through a mixture of propaganda and intimidation... The main functions of the NSLB were, first, the provision of reports on the political reliability of teachers for appointments and promotions and, secondly, the ideological indoctrination of teachers... " (431)

Conform or resign. "Most academics were either apolitical or approved of at least some aspects of the regime... Those who did not, were either forced out or intimidated into silence." (445)

SILENCE THE OPPOSITION

Block the negative influence of parents and traditional culture: "... these boys join our organization at the age of ten... four years later, they move from the Jungvolk to Hitler Youth and there we keep them for another four years. And then we are even less prepared to give them back into the hands of those who create our class and status barriers... " (417)

Punish parents who protect their children from state indoctrination: "A legal guardian will be liable to a fine up to 150 RM or to imprisonment, if he deliberately contravenes the stipulation #9 of this decree (registration for Hitler Youth)." (420)

Vouchers and Christian schools: "Private schools and denominational schools gradually succumbed to various pressures: the loss of government subsidies or tax concessions... " (434)

FACE THE CONSEQUENCES

Some resist the crude, immoral, and anti-intellectual climate and the pressures to conform: "By the end of the 1930s, a growing number of students were coming to resent the regimentation, the pressures to conform, the anti-intellectual climate, the crudity of the regime's style and its moral duplicity." (443)

Arrogant students: "Teachers, in particular, were also concerned at the contempt for intellect cultivated by the HJ and at the arrogance displayed toward them by pupils who were leaders in the HJ." (429)

[magprob]

Scary.

[N0help4u]

I believe it but the liberal lefties scares me MORE!

[ineedhelpfast]

Thanks magprob
everything I have been saying for years people do not believe but it has ALL come to pass when I have said it would. Even 9/11.
Everybody says so what about the RFID chip. They are more concerned if Bush is listening to them tell their mom they are going to be late for dinner.
I predict by 2015 it is going to be too late and people will be wishing they had been watching the things that are happening now that are setting everything up.
My guess is we are going to be one world New World Order by 2013.

sorry I know I always talk about my religon, but it is kind of odd how you think that we will all get chips, but in the book of revelation(the bible) talks about that you basically won't be able to get anything unless you have the mark of the beast, but this isn't a religious discussion, so I have no more to say.

[N0help4u]

sorry i know i always talk about my religon, but it is kind of odd how you think that we will all get chips, but in the book of revelation(the bible) talks about that you basically wont be able to get anything unless you have the mark of the beast, but this isnt a religious discussion, so i have no more to say.

Exactly, if you do not take the mark, the chip, you will not be able to buy or sell anything.

[ineedhelpfast]

Exactly, if you do not take the mark, the chip, you will not be able to buy or sell anything.

bro that's crazy, I'm getting goose bumps just getting about it. And it was crazy that this was prophesied a long time ago.

[N0help4u]

When I have time I will try and send you a lot of how everything is lining up with the Bible
And all.

[magprob]

YouTube - Rockefeller Reveals 9/11 FRAUD to Aaron Russo

[Dark_crow]

The government caused the World Trade Center tragedy by their evil deeds around the world. That is why the rest of the world hates our guts. Our government did their first overthrow of the Iranian government back in 1948. They have done it two or three times since. You act as if this is not a fact. You select your facts to make your argument. Our government is the original "evil dooers." The CIA is in Columbia right now doing it again, using their puppet government there to get into Venezuela's pocket. It is a shame and I hate to admit it but it is the truth.
As far as New Orleans, the government has done much less than the American public has. We don't need them getting in the way anymore. They need to focus on garbage removal and leave our survival to us.

Yes, you are correct when you say I select “Facts;” added-up they get closer to the truth than a string of conspiracy theories. So what if our government helps other peoples over-through a government that they no longer want. The French helped the Colonial Army over-through the British rule that the colonialist no longer wanted…for that we now have a Bill Of Rights. So what if the American government is helping the Columbian people who want political freedom…I think that is a good thing.

You forget one thing in your search for a “Perfectly Moral Government,” people disagree on what is moral but they do all participate in government, even when they do nothing…All government derives its authority from the consent of the governed and when the great majority no longer consent the government will be renewed.

[N0help4u]

I hope it is renewed and not by more government.
There is way too much corruption and double standards in big government.
The morals should be the basic enstated laws AND people following the golden rule.
We DO NOT need all these laws like you can not smoke within 15 feet of a public doorway,
You can not smoke in your apartment, you can not eat out if you weigh over 190 pounds,
Let the establishments post it on their OWN door if that is what they want for their own business.

[magprob]

Conspiracy Theory? They are manipulating the markets in preparation for this "Conspiracy Theory."

Banks face new world order, consolidation: report | Deals | Reuters

[hauser5]

God will abolish all evil eventually, so I'm not worried.