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    Sep 17, 2007, 01:52 PM
    limits involving trig.
    I've got 2, and I'm not sure of the correct way to type them, so here it goes.

    lim as x->Pi/4 (1-tan(x))/(sin(x)-cos(x))

    lim as x->0 (sin(x^2))/(sin^2(x))

    any help is greatly appreciated.
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    Sep 18, 2007, 02:47 PM
    Are you familiar with L'Hopital's rule?
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    Sep 18, 2007, 03:11 PM
    I am, but I'm in a class where we haven't even gotten to derivatives yet.
    I've had a previous course, so I know how, but for now I'm stuck on solving these the algebraic way.
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    Sep 18, 2007, 03:23 PM
    The first poblem can be solved if you replace the denominator as follows:

    sin(x) - cos(x) = cos(x)(sin(x)/cos(x)-1) = cos(x)(tan(x) - 1).

    Can you take it from there?

    Still thinking about the 2nd one...
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    Sep 18, 2007, 03:40 PM
    For the 2nd one, you can use an infinite series substitution. I realize this is not an algebraic solution, and may be beyond the level you're at, but here goes:

    Given sin(a) = a - a^3/3! + a^5/5! -...
    Then sin(a^2) = a^2 - a^6/3! + a^10/5! -...
    and sin^2(a) = (a - a^3/3! + a^5/5! -... )*(a - a^3/3! + a^5/5! -... )
    = a^2 - 2a^4/3! + ^6/(3!*3!) -...

    As lim(a) ->0, throw out the higher ordered terms (since they go to zero much faster than the lower order terms) and you get

    lim as a->0 = a^2/a^2 = 1.
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    Sep 18, 2007, 05:22 PM
    The first problem whittles down to



    Therefore, you have

    Now, it's easy. Right?
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    Sep 19, 2007, 06:03 AM
    For the 2nd problem, heres' a different approach. You may have already covered in class the fact that:

    If you have that, then it follows that:

    Also,


    Divide (a) by (b), and you've got it.

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